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Unless the government is run by a bunch of children, Tesla is a public company not owned by Elon. It has tremendous pull and not inviting them is a political ta

Unless the government is run by a bunch of children, Tesla is a public company not owned by Elon. It has tremendous pull and not inviting them is a political tantrum by the administration than anything else. Musk called someone a pedo 4 years ago. Can we please stop? Let's see: Does the world benefit from a CEO that has built the biggest clean-energy revolution that the world has ever seen but has spoken some shit while they were drunk? The answer is unequivocally, YES.

clouddrover 5y ago
Reputations stick, which why it's not worth it to Biden politically. Musk has gone out of his way to earn a reputation for being a clown and he will be remembered as a clown. That's a cost of using Twitter to express yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs
- simondotau 5y ago
  Elon is a weird guy. Big whoop. What's wrong with being a clown? My guess is that his critics are just angry that Elon doesn't feel as constrained by societal norms as they do. And that video is hilarious in its journalistic superficiality. When Elon uses the number 420, it's a joke. It doesn't matter if 99.999% of people who read it see no humour in it, it's still clearly identifiable as Elon humour. The fact that this wasn't pointed out is just sad. Even if it wasn't a joke, tweets like that have no effect on long term stock price. (Though it could be argued that the pathetic howling of indignation around them has a very slight medium-term effect.) The only people who "lose out" as a result of tweets like that are day traders and market speculators—people who make their money off the value created by others, adding literally zero value to the economy.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > What's wrong with being a clown? It means you don't get invited to talk about EVs with the president of the United States, which is what we're talking about. > Even if it wasn't a joke, tweets like that have no effect on long term stock price. It still gets you fined by the SEC. Elon is just going to have to suck it up and accept responsibility for his actions instead of whining about how he doesn't respect the SEC.
    - simondotau 5y ago
      I don't personally care that Tesla weren't invited. Tesla didn't suffer from not being invited. It was a nothing event that nobody would even remember today if it wasn't for the remarkable weirdness of Tesla's absence. As for the SEC, the evidence of reality suggests otherwise. Elon didn't have to suck it up and accept responsibility. He didn't have to stop whining about how he doesn't respect the SEC.
      - clouddrover 5y ago
        > I don't personally care that Tesla weren't invited. Tesla didn't suffer from not being invited. It was a nothing event And yet you're clearly agitated by it. > Elon didn't have to suck it up and accept responsibility. He didn't have to stop whining about how he doesn't respect the SEC. Yes, his inability to do so is one of the reasons he is clown. An inability to accept responsibility for himself is a personal failing. It's weak.
        simondotau 5y ago
        > And yet you're clearly agitated by it. An odd thing to say given that I haven't said anything about it. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else?
        clouddrover 5y ago
        Nope.
urda 5y ago
> Let's see: Does the world benefit from a CEO that has built the biggest clean-energy revolution that the world has ever seen but has spoken some shit while they were drunk? You might have allowed your bar to sink that low, but many of us do not agree with this assessment. We've had enough clowns in the white house lately, we do not need Elon there as well.
- simondotau 5y ago
  > We've had enough clowns in the white house lately It's kind of silly to equate inviting someone as a guest to electing someone as President. But if you think Trump was a problem because he was a "clown" then I'm sorry but you've been distracted by the superficial. It's my opinion that Trump was a bad president—and continues to represent an existential threat to civil trust—but his style didn't have anything to do with it. It was his substance. Behind the clown was some awful ideas and disgusting political strategies. Equating these two people is just silly. Trump is a narcissist whose most economically successful skill prior to 2016 was as a "brand" and a television show presenter. He inherited hundreds of millions of dollars and while it's almost impossible to know exactly how successful Trump has been with money, estimates peg his wealth as having grown at a lower rate than the market average. Put another way, with his mix of successful and failed ventures, he has effectively lived off his inheritance. Elon Musk is a weird guy with degrees in economics and physics, was closely involved in the success of PayPal, Tesla and SpaceX, and has become one of the world's richest people almost entirely from his own work, ventures and investments. Despite this, Elon lives a modest life with few material possessions, choosing to spend most of his time working.
  - urda 5y ago
    > world's richest people almost entirely from his own work This is a flat out lie, and we hear it a lot from Elon fan clubs as a soundbite as PR stunts for him. His fortunes have been built by abusing his workers and the conditions around them. And we haven't even gotten to the mines yet. If you want to follow this clown knock yourself out, but appearances matter and when Elon wants to start acting more mature, others might give him notice.

clouddrover 5y ago

Reputations stick, which why it's not worth it to Biden politically. Musk has gone out of his way to earn a reputation for being a clown and he will be remembered as a clown. That's a cost of using Twitter to express yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs

simondotau 5y ago
Elon is a weird guy. Big whoop. What's wrong with being a clown? My guess is that his critics are just angry that Elon doesn't feel as constrained by societal norms as they do. And that video is hilarious in its journalistic superficiality. When Elon uses the number 420, it's a joke. It doesn't matter if 99.999% of people who read it see no humour in it, it's still clearly identifiable as Elon humour. The fact that this wasn't pointed out is just sad. Even if it wasn't a joke, tweets like that have no effect on long term stock price. (Though it could be argued that the pathetic howling of indignation around them has a very slight medium-term effect.) The only people who "lose out" as a result of tweets like that are day traders and market speculators—people who make their money off the value created by others, adding literally zero value to the economy.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > What's wrong with being a clown? It means you don't get invited to talk about EVs with the president of the United States, which is what we're talking about. > Even if it wasn't a joke, tweets like that have no effect on long term stock price. It still gets you fined by the SEC. Elon is just going to have to suck it up and accept responsibility for his actions instead of whining about how he doesn't respect the SEC.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    I don't personally care that Tesla weren't invited. Tesla didn't suffer from not being invited. It was a nothing event that nobody would even remember today if it wasn't for the remarkable weirdness of Tesla's absence. As for the SEC, the evidence of reality suggests otherwise. Elon didn't have to suck it up and accept responsibility. He didn't have to stop whining about how he doesn't respect the SEC.
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      > I don't personally care that Tesla weren't invited. Tesla didn't suffer from not being invited. It was a nothing event And yet you're clearly agitated by it. > Elon didn't have to suck it up and accept responsibility. He didn't have to stop whining about how he doesn't respect the SEC. Yes, his inability to do so is one of the reasons he is clown. An inability to accept responsibility for himself is a personal failing. It's weak.
      - simondotau 5y ago
        > And yet you're clearly agitated by it. An odd thing to say given that I haven't said anything about it. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else?
        clouddrover 5y ago
        Nope.

urda 5y ago

> Let's see: Does the world benefit from a CEO that has built the biggest clean-energy revolution that the world has ever seen but has spoken some shit while they were drunk? You might have allowed your bar to sink that low, but many of us do not agree with this assessment. We've had enough clowns in the white house lately, we do not need Elon there as well.

simondotau 5y ago
> We've had enough clowns in the white house lately It's kind of silly to equate inviting someone as a guest to electing someone as President. But if you think Trump was a problem because he was a "clown" then I'm sorry but you've been distracted by the superficial. It's my opinion that Trump was a bad president—and continues to represent an existential threat to civil trust—but his style didn't have anything to do with it. It was his substance. Behind the clown was some awful ideas and disgusting political strategies. Equating these two people is just silly. Trump is a narcissist whose most economically successful skill prior to 2016 was as a "brand" and a television show presenter. He inherited hundreds of millions of dollars and while it's almost impossible to know exactly how successful Trump has been with money, estimates peg his wealth as having grown at a lower rate than the market average. Put another way, with his mix of successful and failed ventures, he has effectively lived off his inheritance. Elon Musk is a weird guy with degrees in economics and physics, was closely involved in the success of PayPal, Tesla and SpaceX, and has become one of the world's richest people almost entirely from his own work, ventures and investments. Despite this, Elon lives a modest life with few material possessions, choosing to spend most of his time working.
- urda 5y ago
  > world's richest people almost entirely from his own work This is a flat out lie, and we hear it a lot from Elon fan clubs as a soundbite as PR stunts for him. His fortunes have been built by abusing his workers and the conditions around them. And we haven't even gotten to the mines yet. If you want to follow this clown knock yourself out, but appearances matter and when Elon wants to start acting more mature, others might give him notice.