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re: Superchargers I would love to be able to even consider another brand of electric car for my next one but given where I live (Vancouver Island), I just cann

re: Superchargers I would love to be able to even consider another brand of electric car for my next one but given where I live (Vancouver Island), I just cannot. Sure, 3rd party L3 and L2 chargers around me are fine for going around town and maybe up-island, but I cannot reasonably say the same for longer trips. I just came back from a 3k KM roadtrip to Calgary and back and I honestly do not think it would be possible (at least, not in a reasonable amount of time) with any other car. The infrastructure is just not there. With my Tesla (SR+), the stops were like those you'd have in any other car - stopping here and there to eat and use the restroom. The car and the chargers worked flawlessly. It really is the killer-app for Tesla.

bryanlarsen 5y ago
I believe that Petro Canada has the Trans Canada fully connected with chargers, so that trip should have been possible with a different EV.
clouddrover 5y ago
> I just came back from a 3k KM roadtrip to Calgary and back and I honestly do not think it would be possible (at least, not in a reasonable amount of time) with any other car. A Better Routeplanner (https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ https://abetterrouteplanner.com/) is a good tool for getting an idea of what roadtrips are like in different EVs. ABRP says Vancouver Island to Calgary in a Ford Mustang Mach-E Extended Range RWD takes 18 hours and 12 minutes. 2 hours and 8 minutes of that time is charging. A 2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+ with 18" aero wheels takes 17 hours and 56 minutes. 1 hour and 34 minutes is charging. A Kia EV6 Long Range RWD takes 17 hours and 22 minutes. 1 hour and 18 minutes is charging. A Lucid Air Dream Edition takes 16 hours and 59 minutes. 1 hour and 1 minute is charging.
- simondotau 5y ago
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  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > It's worth noting that neither the Kia EV6 nor the Lucid Air have shipped a single unit to customers, so the above are only promises based on the optimistic claims of manufacturers. False. The EV6 is shipping in Korea and Europe right now. North America to follow. But let's do some different cars since you're distressed: - Volkswagen ID.4 Pro is 18 hours and 4 minutes. - Porsche Taycan 4S 93 kWh is 17 hours 56 minutes. - Audi e-tron 55 is 17 hours 50 minutes. > This video by Marques Brownlee is an interesting example That is not a road trip from Vancouver Island to Calgary, which is what we're talking about. Do you have any specific information about driving from Vancouver Island to Calgary in particular?
    - simondotau 5y ago
      > "since you're distressed" Not interested in conversing further in response to this kind of needling. I'll leave you to it.
      - clouddrover 5y ago
        Don't worry about it. Just reserve your Canadian EV6 and be happy: https://www.kia.ca/ev6comingsoon https://www.kia.ca/ev6comingsoon
    - tills13 5y ago
      Yeah the issue and imo the difference between my drive and MKBHD's is that mountain driving has a whole set of challenges you don't get with "regular" driving. As an example, between Kelowna and Merrit, we hit a snowstorm -- it took 40+ minutes extra driving 15-25kmph and we burned through an extra 20% battery. Had I not charged to 100% the night before I would not have made it (that drive is basically a fairly steep hill 50% of the way)
      - clouddrover 5y ago
        So you're saying: 1. You need more range than your current car has to deal with these unexpected situations easily instead of luckily. 2. Balkanized charging infrastructure is brain dead. You need Tesla to switch to CCS in North America (like all other EV manufacturers have already done) and you need Telsa's chargers to charge all brands of EV (like all other charging networks already do). The good news is Tesla will supposedly open their chargers to other brands soon. They can go ahead and put two ports on the chargers like they already did in Europe: https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/28/22596337/tesla-supercharger-elon-musk-open-network-charging-stations https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/28/22596337/tesla-supercharg... https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-now-retrofitted-with-ccs-plugs-in-europe-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n... The next step is for Tesla switch to CCS on the North American cars, also like they already did in Europe.
megablast 5y ago
Maybe you’ll join the billions of people who do not drive everywhere they go.
- aluminum96 5y ago
  Perhaps, but it's neither here nor there, given the thread is about cars. Also, I wouldn't bet on public transit improvements in the United States anytime soon. Even the most important project for the country's highest-ridership corridor can't get built (the Gateway Project in NY).
  - lmm 5y ago
    > Perhaps, but it's neither here nor there, given the thread is about cars. It's absolutely relevant; one of the things that creates messed up car culture is that people buy a car that makes sense for the road trip they make once a year rather than a car that makes sense for the commute they make twice per day. A short-range EV supplemented by other modes, taxis, or even just renting a traditional car a few times a year could easily end up being a better lifestyle overall.
    - tills13 5y ago
      lots of assuming going on in this thread

bryanlarsen 5y ago

I believe that Petro Canada has the Trans Canada fully connected with chargers, so that trip should have been possible with a different EV.

clouddrover 5y ago

> I just came back from a 3k KM roadtrip to Calgary and back and I honestly do not think it would be possible (at least, not in a reasonable amount of time) with any other car. A Better Routeplanner (https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ https://abetterrouteplanner.com/) is a good tool for getting an idea of what roadtrips are like in different EVs. ABRP says Vancouver Island to Calgary in a Ford Mustang Mach-E Extended Range RWD takes 18 hours and 12 minutes. 2 hours and 8 minutes of that time is charging. A 2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+ with 18" aero wheels takes 17 hours and 56 minutes. 1 hour and 34 minutes is charging. A Kia EV6 Long Range RWD takes 17 hours and 22 minutes. 1 hour and 18 minutes is charging. A Lucid Air Dream Edition takes 16 hours and 59 minutes. 1 hour and 1 minute is charging.

simondotau 5y ago
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- clouddrover 5y ago
  > It's worth noting that neither the Kia EV6 nor the Lucid Air have shipped a single unit to customers, so the above are only promises based on the optimistic claims of manufacturers. False. The EV6 is shipping in Korea and Europe right now. North America to follow. But let's do some different cars since you're distressed: - Volkswagen ID.4 Pro is 18 hours and 4 minutes. - Porsche Taycan 4S 93 kWh is 17 hours 56 minutes. - Audi e-tron 55 is 17 hours 50 minutes. > This video by Marques Brownlee is an interesting example That is not a road trip from Vancouver Island to Calgary, which is what we're talking about. Do you have any specific information about driving from Vancouver Island to Calgary in particular?
  - simondotau 5y ago
    > "since you're distressed" Not interested in conversing further in response to this kind of needling. I'll leave you to it.
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      Don't worry about it. Just reserve your Canadian EV6 and be happy: https://www.kia.ca/ev6comingsoon https://www.kia.ca/ev6comingsoon
  - tills13 5y ago
    Yeah the issue and imo the difference between my drive and MKBHD's is that mountain driving has a whole set of challenges you don't get with "regular" driving. As an example, between Kelowna and Merrit, we hit a snowstorm -- it took 40+ minutes extra driving 15-25kmph and we burned through an extra 20% battery. Had I not charged to 100% the night before I would not have made it (that drive is basically a fairly steep hill 50% of the way)
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      So you're saying: 1. You need more range than your current car has to deal with these unexpected situations easily instead of luckily. 2. Balkanized charging infrastructure is brain dead. You need Tesla to switch to CCS in North America (like all other EV manufacturers have already done) and you need Telsa's chargers to charge all brands of EV (like all other charging networks already do). The good news is Tesla will supposedly open their chargers to other brands soon. They can go ahead and put two ports on the chargers like they already did in Europe: https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/28/22596337/tesla-supercharger-elon-musk-open-network-charging-stations https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/28/22596337/tesla-supercharg... https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-now-retrofitted-with-ccs-plugs-in-europe-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n... The next step is for Tesla switch to CCS on the North American cars, also like they already did in Europe.

megablast 5y ago

Maybe you’ll join the billions of people who do not drive everywhere they go.

aluminum96 5y ago
Perhaps, but it's neither here nor there, given the thread is about cars. Also, I wouldn't bet on public transit improvements in the United States anytime soon. Even the most important project for the country's highest-ridership corridor can't get built (the Gateway Project in NY).
- lmm 5y ago
  > Perhaps, but it's neither here nor there, given the thread is about cars. It's absolutely relevant; one of the things that creates messed up car culture is that people buy a car that makes sense for the road trip they make once a year rather than a car that makes sense for the commute they make twice per day. A short-range EV supplemented by other modes, taxis, or even just renting a traditional car a few times a year could easily end up being a better lifestyle overall.
  - tills13 5y ago
    lots of assuming going on in this thread