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The media is really pushing this (and related) story hard this year. Anything to delegitimize Columbus.

anthk 5y ago
Columbus was a bastard by himself, and I say this as Spaniard. The local Castillian-Aragonese kingdom (proto-Spain maybe) punished Columbus because of his overseas behaviour.
arduinomancer 5y ago
What is wrong with that? Don't you prefer accurate history?
mandmandam 5y ago
... Good. Listening to the story in school it was obvious there was some stuff being glossed over; like, how did he discover America if there were people there already? ... And those people just gave their land to Europeans because ... ? And, in the years since grade school, the answer to those questions have led to darker questions, with dark answers. And oh shit, we're actually still pulling this shit. So again - good. Fuck that guy, and fuck his fake myth.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  Ok then fuck the Vikings too. Do you realize how much violence and destruction they wrought? At least keep your shit logically cohesive. While you're at it do a little research on "indigenous" culture and how they treated each other. I assure you it wasn't butterflies and kisses before Columbus got here. > how did he discover America if there were people there already He discovered it in relation to Europeans who didn't know of its existence. This is one of the dumbest things I've read today. Your take would mean literally nothing could be discovered.
  - mandmandam 5y ago
    Do people credit the Vikings for discovering Ireland? The fuck they do. And I don't know why the fuck you're putting "indigenous" in quotes but man it looks kinda racist. As does the idea that "discovering things" is by default actually "discovered in relation to Europeans".
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      I'm putting "indigenous" in quotes because no one owns rights to a place by virtue of being there first. It's a ridiculous silly idea when you actually understand what has happened throughout history. Are you going to start calling Europeans indigenous when you go to Europe? I didn't think so. Stop throwing the r word around so nonchalantly or people might start realizing you don't really care about racism and just want sjw internet points. The funny thing is you people throw that word around so much that I don't even care if you call me one. White's are inherently racist by default anyway right? I guess there's nothing I can do about it since I have a certain skin color. My bad, I'm sorry you hate my skin color. Just a tip- name calling makes it look like you lost the debate.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > This is one of the dumbest things I've read today. Your take would mean literally nothing could be discovered. Guess what was one of the dumbest things I've read today. Their take would mean nothing could be "discovered" again, after it already was discovered by someone else. Can't really see any big problem with that... Except for bullying Johnnie-come-latelies who've been used to thinking of nothing as discovered until it's been "discovered" by them. Big boo-fucking-hoo.

Columbus was a bastard by himself, and I say this as Spaniard. The local Castillian-Aragonese kingdom (proto-Spain maybe) punished Columbus because of his overseas behaviour.

arduinomancer 5y ago

What is wrong with that? Don't you prefer accurate history?

mandmandam 5y ago

... Good. Listening to the story in school it was obvious there was some stuff being glossed over; like, how did he discover America if there were people there already? ... And those people just gave their land to Europeans because ... ? And, in the years since grade school, the answer to those questions have led to darker questions, with dark answers. And oh shit, we're actually still pulling this shit. So again - good. Fuck that guy, and fuck his fake myth.

CountDrewku 5y ago
Ok then fuck the Vikings too. Do you realize how much violence and destruction they wrought? At least keep your shit logically cohesive. While you're at it do a little research on "indigenous" culture and how they treated each other. I assure you it wasn't butterflies and kisses before Columbus got here. > how did he discover America if there were people there already He discovered it in relation to Europeans who didn't know of its existence. This is one of the dumbest things I've read today. Your take would mean literally nothing could be discovered.
- mandmandam 5y ago
  Do people credit the Vikings for discovering Ireland? The fuck they do. And I don't know why the fuck you're putting "indigenous" in quotes but man it looks kinda racist. As does the idea that "discovering things" is by default actually "discovered in relation to Europeans".
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    I'm putting "indigenous" in quotes because no one owns rights to a place by virtue of being there first. It's a ridiculous silly idea when you actually understand what has happened throughout history. Are you going to start calling Europeans indigenous when you go to Europe? I didn't think so. Stop throwing the r word around so nonchalantly or people might start realizing you don't really care about racism and just want sjw internet points. The funny thing is you people throw that word around so much that I don't even care if you call me one. White's are inherently racist by default anyway right? I guess there's nothing I can do about it since I have a certain skin color. My bad, I'm sorry you hate my skin color. Just a tip- name calling makes it look like you lost the debate.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > This is one of the dumbest things I've read today. Your take would mean literally nothing could be discovered. Guess what was one of the dumbest things I've read today. Their take would mean nothing could be "discovered" again, after it already was discovered by someone else. Can't really see any big problem with that... Except for bullying Johnnie-come-latelies who've been used to thinking of nothing as discovered until it's been "discovered" by them. Big boo-fucking-hoo.