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> GPU capabilities that blow everything away Compared to previous macs and igpus - an nvidia gpu will still run circles arounnd this thing
by jjcon 5y ago
> GPU capabilities that blow everything away
Compared to previous macs and igpus - an nvidia gpu will still run circles arounnd this thing
- jachee 5y agoIn a quiet laptop?
- jjcon 5y agoIf you are trying to do hardcore video editing or modeling then 'quiet laptop' likely comes second to speed
- mataug 5y ago> Compared to previous macs and igpus - an nvidia gpu will still run circles arounnd this thing True, but the point here is that M1 is able to achieve outstanding performance per watt numbers compared to Nvidia or Intel.
- KptMarchewa 5y agoAre you really rendering in a cafe that you need on the go GPU performance?
- 2muchcoffeeman 5y agoThat’s not the right way to look at it. We never did this because you couldn’t get enough performance. Now you can get performance off a battery for your entire work day for less money than the competition (if reports are to be believed). In this scenario, would you render things in a cafe? Why not?
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago> In this scenario, would you render things in a cafe? Why not? honestly, as a traveler and sometimes digital nomad, the real question is "why yes?" There is no real reason to work in a cafe, except because it looks cool to some social audience. Cafes are usually very uncomfortable work places, especially if you have to sit for hours looking at the tiniest of the details as one often does when rendering.
- 2muchcoffeeman 5y agoMaybe you’re hungry but it’s crunch time. It’s like when the iPad came out and had a camera. “Who is going to lug around an iPad to take pictures!?!?” But that’s exactly what I started seeing people do. Pull out iPads and take snaps.
- peoplefromibiza 5y agowhat's your point?
- hackerfromthefu 5y agoKind of yes .. but sometimes after years of working remotely you may find its nice to be hanging out where people are doing things even while you work
- ArchOversight 5y agoEditing photos or reviewing them before getting back home to know if you need to re-shoot, reviewing 8K footage on the fly, applying color grading to get an idea of what the final might look like to know if you need to re-shoot, re-light or change something... There are absolutely use-cases where this is going to enable new ways of looking at content and give more control and ability to review stuff in the field.
- PostThisTooFast 5y agoIt has been a long time since editing photos has required anything more than run-of-the-mill performance.
- zsmi 5y agoFor the content creator class that needs to shoot/edit/upload daily, while minimizing staff, I can see definite advantages to having a setup which is both performant and mobile.
- peoplefromibiza 5y agohonestly half hour on plug every 4 hours of work sounds mobile enough to me. I worked in the content creators business making videos, photos and music and frankly the need for 15 hours of battery is a (very cool indeed) glamorous IG fantasy. In reality even when we were really on the move (I used to follow surfers on several isolated beaches in South Europe) the main problem were the phones' batteries - using them in hotspot mode seriously reduce their battery life - and we could always turn on the van's engine and use the generator to recharge electronic devices. Post processing was done plugged to the generator. Because it's better to sit comfortably to watch hours of footage or hundreds of pictures. I can't imagine many other activities that are equally challenging for a mobile setup.
- kylemh 5y agoBesides what the other person commented, also consider creatives that travel. Bringing their desktop with them isn't an option.
- FractalHQ 5y agoI am often rendering and coding while traveling for work a few months out of the year. Even when I’m home, I prefer spending my time in the forest behind my house, so being able to use Blender or edit videos as well as code and produce music anywhere I want is pretty sweet.
- whynotminot 5y agoWhy would you even buy a laptop if you don't need to be mobile?
- gtirloni 5y agoFewer cables is one reason.
- whynotminot 5y agoThat’s a strange reason to buy a laptop. On a desktop you set up the cables one time and you’re done.
- ClumsyPilot 5y agoThere is this thing called all in one desktop
- alwillis 5y agoGPUs are no longer special purposes components; certainly in macOS, the computation capabilities of the GPU are used for all sorts of frameworks and APIs. It’s not just about rendering any more.
- mataug 5y agoAdding to all the usecases listed by other commenters. Having a higher performance per watt numbers also implies less heat from M1's perspective. This means that even if someone isn't doing CPU/GPU heavy tasks, they are still getting better battery life since power isn't being wasted on cooling by spinning up the fans. For some perspective, My current 2019, 16inch i7 MBP gets warm even if I leave it idling for 20 - 30 mins and I can barely get ~4hrs of battery life. My wife's M1 macbook air stays cool despite being fanless, and lasts the whole day with similar usage. The point is performance per watt matters a lot in a portable device, regardless of its capabilities.
- ngcc_hk 5y agoTry disable turbo and search around there is an utility that keep no turbo and using hours still 50 degree. I am not associated with that guy. In fact I bought one for even my macmini. Get my m1 macmini to avoid all these hot air. If you run biotcamp windows has registry to disable that and also system setting to limit to 99% (but seem still hot) for my playing with Vr and fs2020 using external egpu.
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- spacedcowboy 5y agoAnything that can run rings around it is unlikely to be running on a battery in a laptop, at least for any reasonable length of time.
- onepointsixC 5y agoNot to mention will stretch beyond reason the idea of a "mobile device" with an unwieldily weight and thickness.
- monkmartinez 5y agoYes, Nvidia GPU's are a major reason I switched to PC about 3 years ago. That and I can upgrade RAM and SSD's myself on desktops and laptops. The power from professional apps like Solidworks, Agisoft metashape, and some Adobe products with a Nvidia card and drivers is like night and day with a Mac at the time I switched. Does Apple have any ISV certified offerings? I can't find one. I suspect Apple will never win the Engineering crowd with the M1 switch... so many variable go into these systems builds and Apple just doesn't have that business model. Even with these crazy M1's, I still have doubts about Apple winning the Movie/Creative market. LED walls, Unreal Engine, Unity are being used for SOOOO much more than just games now. The hegemony of US centric content creation is also dwindling... budget rigs are a heck of lot easier to source and pay for than M1's in most parts of the world.
- DCKing 5y agoNot so sure about that "running circles around". While the M1 Max will not beat a mobile RTX 3080 (~same chip as desktop RTX 3070), Apple is in the same ballpark of its performance [1] (or is being extremely misleading in their performance claims [2]). Nvidia very likely has leading top end performance still, but "running circles around this thing" is probably not a fair description. Apple certainly has a credible claim to destroy Ampere in terms of power per watt - just limiting themselves in the power envelope still. (It's worth noting that AMD's RDNA2 already edges out Ampere in performance per watt - that's not really Nvidia's strong suit in their current lineup). [1]: https://www.apple.com/v/macbook-pro-14-and-16/a/images/overview/modal/m1_max_graph_gpu__3fxymb4a842m_large_2x.jpg https://www.apple.com/v/macbook-pro-14-and-16/a/images/overv... - which in the footnote is shown to compare the M1 Max to this laptop with mobile RTX 3080: https://us-store.msi.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=801 https://us-store.msi.com/index.php?route=product/product&pro... [2]: There's a lot of things wrong with in how vague Apple tends to be about performance, but their unmarked graphs have been okay for general ballpark estimates at least.
- jjcon 5y agoDefinitely impressive in terms of power efficiency if Apples benchmarks (vague as they are) come close to accurate. Comparing the few video benchmarks we are seeing from the M1Max to leading Nvidia cards I'm still seeing about 3-5x the performance across plenty of workloads (Id consider anything >2x running circles). https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3551790 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3551790
- derefr 5y ago> an nvidia gpu will still run circles arounnd this thing Not for loading up models larger than 32GB it wouldn't. (They exist! That's what the "full-detail model of the starship Enterprise" thing in the keynote was about.) Remember that on any computer without unified memory, you can only load a scene the size of the GPU's VRAM. No matter how much main memory you have to swap against, no matter how many GPUs you throw at the problem, no magic wand is going to let you render a single tile of a single frame if it has more texture-memory as inputs than one of your GPUs has VRAM. Right now, consumer GPUs top out at 32GB of VRAM. The M1 Max has, in a sense, 64GB (minus OS baseline overhead) of VRAM for its GPU to use. Of course, there is "an nvidia gpu" that can bench more than the M1 Max: the Nvidia A100 Tensor Core GPU, with 80GB of VRAM... which costs $149,000. (And even then, I should point out that the leaked Mac Pro M1 variant is apparently 4x larger again — i.e. it's probably available in a configuration with 256GB of unified memory. That's getting close to "doing the training for GPT-3 — a 350GB model before optimization — on a single computer" territory.)
- localhost 5y agoNo way you could train, but if they could squeeze a bit more RAM onto that machine, you could actually do inferencing using the full 175B parameter GPT-3 model (vs. one of its smaller, e.g., 13B parameter versions [1] - if I could get my hands on the parameters for that one I could run it on my MBP 14 in a couple of weeks!). The ML folks are finding ways to consume everything the HW folks can make and then some. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.14165 https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.14165
- shaklee3 5y agoTerrible, terrible take. GPU ram is about 10x faster than ddr in practical usage, so your worloads can finish and a new batch can be transferred over pcie faster than the apple would finish the first pass.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago"Right now, consumer GPUs top out at 32GB of VRAM. The M1 Max has, in a sense, 64GB (minus OS baseline overhead) of VRAM for its GPU to use." We've had AMD APU's for years, you can shove 256GB of RAM in there. But noone cares because a huge chunk of memory attached to a slow GPU is useless.