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Here's the link to the MacBookPro18,2 OpenCL benchmark: * M1 Max OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3551790 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compu

• css 5y ago
  Apple compared the M1 Max to the 3080 in the Razer Blade 15 Advanced, saying it outperforms the Nvdia’s GPU [0], but Geekbench seems to disagree [1]. [0]: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/10/introducing-m1-pro-and-m1-max-the-most-powerful-chips-apple-has-ever-built/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/10/introducing-m1-pro-an... [1]: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?baseline=2747252 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?bas...
  • interpol_p 5y ago
    I wonder what they were comparing. The Geekbench result is for an OpenCL benchmark, if they were using Metal Compute on the M1 that may explain the different results
  • agloeregrets 5y ago
    Apple never claimed the M1 Max was faster than the 3080, they claimed the M1 Max was almost as fast while using 100W less power and while being dramaticly faster on battery.
• varenc 5y ago
  Since we're comparing against M1 Max, it's more fair to use a fully maxed out Macbook Pro 16-inch for comparison: * MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) vs M1 Max - CPU https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10496766?baseline=10525033 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10496766?baseli... [single 145.8%, multi 176.3%] * MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) vs M1 Max - OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?baseline=3559477 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?bas... [153.0%] * MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) vs M1 Max - Metal https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3557857?baseline=3561432 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3557857?bas... [167.2%] The M1 Max still wins by a large margin, but there's a slightly smaller gap. The CPU difference is negligible but the upgraded Radeon Pro 5600M graphics card narrows the gap a bit more. It's comparable to a Radeon RX 580. The default 5500M is pretty only about 60% as powerful and surprisingly runs hotter despite being slower. (TDP 85W vs 60W it seems)
• klelatti 5y ago
  Thanks - interesting on OpenCL - presumably running on GPU? All that memory opens up some interesting possibilities. Also I thought Apple was deprecating OpenCL in favour of Metal?
  • 58028641 5y ago
    OpenCL and OpenGL have been deprecated in favor of Metal. Geekbench also has a Metal compute benchmark.
    • out_of_protocol 5y ago
      How to compare Metal vs non-mac hardware then?
    • bredren 5y ago
      Is there a metal benchmark? This is the score I’ve been most interested in.
      • munro 5y ago
        Nay, there isn't one for the new M1 Max, but FWIW it's pretty comparable, but OpenCL is a bit faster than Metal. * MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) - Metal https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3139776 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3139776 [31,937 metal score] * MacBook Pro (16-inch Late 2019) - OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3139756 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3139756 [33,280 OpenCL score]
        • bredren 5y ago
          Huh. I was expecting it to be over 80k. This is the blackmagic pro Vega 56 egpu metal score.
• keymone 5y ago
  > * NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 vs M1 Max - OpenCL https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?bas https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/3551790?bas... [29.0%] 30% performance for ~15% of power use in laptop form factor? that's not boo, that seems like a clear win for apple.
  • sunflowerdeath 5y ago
    Also, the 3090 costs almost like the whole macbook
    • nightski 5y ago
      Hm, as far as I can tell a M1 Max Macbook pro costs like $3k+ (the config used in the link is like $4k). how do you figure that?
      • Operyl 5y ago
        Easy: you're not getting a 3090 at MSRP unless you're lucky.
        • nightski 5y ago
          Best buy has been doing physical drops on a monthly basis. I got one in the last drop @ MSRP, only waited in line for 30 minutes. It's worth checking out if you are looking for a card. I will say though if you are in a large city this doesn't work as well, the lines are longer.
          • Operyl 5y ago
            They've not done these in my area, but indeed I am in a "big city," or at least the suburbs.
    • paulmd 5y ago
      the truly amazing thing is that the M1 Max Macbook Pro will have twice the transistor count of a 3090 in its SOC (not counting memory stacks). That's a laptop CPU now. It also has hexadecimal-channel RAM. 16 channels of DDR5. Instead of putting the SOC on GDDR6 and gimping the CPU side with higher latency, they just stacked in DDR5 channels until they had enough. Absolute meme tier design, Apple just does not give a single fuck about cost. (note that DDR5 channels are half the width of DDR4 - you get two channels per stick. But, the burst length is longer to compensate (so you get the same amount per burst), and you get higher MT/s. But either way, it's conceptually like octochannel DDR4, "but better", it's a server-class memory configuration and then they stacked it all on the package so you could put it in a laptop.)
• m15i 5y ago
  Anyone know if that “Device Memory 42.7 GB” is fixed or can be increased?
  • munro 5y ago
    The MacBook Pro M1 Max can be ordered with either 32 GB or 64 GB of unified memory. The geekbench report shows 64 GB of memory (maxed), not sure why only 42.7 GB is usable by OpenCL--so I guess we have to assume that's the max, unless there's some software fix to get it up to 64 GB.
    • my123 5y ago
      It reports the currently free memory as device memory.
    • qayxc 5y ago
      > unless there's some software fix to get it up to 64 GB. I very much doubt that this would even be possible. The OS and other on-chip devices require dedicated memory as well and need to reserve address space. You simply cannot max out physical RAM with a single device in a UMA configuration.
• pier25 5y ago
  The 2060 and 3090 on these compares are the desktop chips, right?
  • throwawaysea 5y ago
    The 3090 is a high end desktop machine. There is no mobile version of the 3090 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_proc...).
    • divbzero 5y ago
      It’s telling that we need comparisons with 300 watt desktop GPUs to make M1 look mediocre.