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This is why I'm bullish on tech like Stadia. It's simply not possible to have conventional cheats on it. If you haven't, give it a try (free): https://stadia.g

This is why I'm bullish on tech like Stadia. It's simply not possible to have conventional cheats on it. If you haven't, give it a try (free): https://stadia.google.com/games/destiny-2 https://stadia.google.com/games/destiny-2

donkarma 5y ago
that is your only reason?
josephcsible 5y ago
Stadia goes even further towards making sure you don't actually own any of "your" games, though.
- KingMachiavelli 5y ago
  NVDIA has a similar service that let's you run your own Steam games but for some reason you can only run games Nvidia has their own licensing agreements with. I.e the problem is that you apparently don't own the game 'enough' to install it on a cloud virtual machine. I suspect that Google ran into the same problem and the game publishers would only agree if it meant they could sell the game yet again.
LeoPanthera 5y ago
Is cheating a real problem on consoles? I know virtually nothing about the topic but I just assumed that consoles were so incredibly locked down it would be infeasible, and that cheating was a mostly PC problem.
bob1029 5y ago
This is my position as well. Maybe not stadia specifically, but something on that axis. The edge is going to eventually get so close that no one is going to care. As a person who enjoys competitive gaming, I would be more than happy to surrender local simulation for a guarantee that no one has access to more information than I do. The path Riot has taken is never going to work. The most devastating user experiences are going to hide in the shadows of "world's best antihacks". The best hackers will continue to be undetectable because they use other external computers and low-level hardware magic that doesnt give a shit about TPM or other measures. All someone really needs to do is break whatever encryption exists on the network stack to gain access to 100% of the available information regarding other participants. The only solution is restricting the theoretical information at the source. Nothing else could ever be trusted by any participant.
cletus 5y ago
Stadia will only ever be a niche and honestly should not have been launched. You can point out the fatal flaw with two words: "input lag". No one who cares about actions-per-second or reaction times is ever going to seriously use Stadia. Now is there a market for more casual users who don't care about that, want to play games and don't want to have their own hardware? Maybe? But I'm not seeing any evidence it's anything more than a niche. You could probably play Civilization that way. FPSs? MOBAs? Not so much.
- munk-a 5y ago
  I am waiting until the chance I get to burn down several Google data-centers running dwarf fortress on stadia and egging on a catsplosion.
Nicksil 5y ago
>This is why I'm bullish on tech like Stadia. It's simply not possible to have conventional cheats on it. >If you haven't, give it a try (free): https://stadia.google.com/games/destiny-2 https://stadia.google.com/games/destiny-2 Perhaps you should also mention you work for Google.
- cybernautique 5y ago
  Agreed. Seems like a conflict of interest. I'd very much appreciate any Googler outright stating as such at even the slightest mention of their employer, and doubly so when recommend Google products. It would be hypocritical of me to not do as I ask of others, so for the record: I'm a self-employed programming consultant.
mhh__ 5y ago
Is Stadia actually acceptable for games where people really care about cheating?

donkarma 5y ago

that is your only reason?

josephcsible 5y ago

Stadia goes even further towards making sure you don't actually own any of "your" games, though.

KingMachiavelli 5y ago
NVDIA has a similar service that let's you run your own Steam games but for some reason you can only run games Nvidia has their own licensing agreements with. I.e the problem is that you apparently don't own the game 'enough' to install it on a cloud virtual machine. I suspect that Google ran into the same problem and the game publishers would only agree if it meant they could sell the game yet again.

LeoPanthera 5y ago

Is cheating a real problem on consoles? I know virtually nothing about the topic but I just assumed that consoles were so incredibly locked down it would be infeasible, and that cheating was a mostly PC problem.

bob1029 5y ago

This is my position as well. Maybe not stadia specifically, but something on that axis. The edge is going to eventually get so close that no one is going to care. As a person who enjoys competitive gaming, I would be more than happy to surrender local simulation for a guarantee that no one has access to more information than I do. The path Riot has taken is never going to work. The most devastating user experiences are going to hide in the shadows of "world's best antihacks". The best hackers will continue to be undetectable because they use other external computers and low-level hardware magic that doesnt give a shit about TPM or other measures. All someone really needs to do is break whatever encryption exists on the network stack to gain access to 100% of the available information regarding other participants. The only solution is restricting the theoretical information at the source. Nothing else could ever be trusted by any participant.

cletus 5y ago

Stadia will only ever be a niche and honestly should not have been launched. You can point out the fatal flaw with two words: "input lag". No one who cares about actions-per-second or reaction times is ever going to seriously use Stadia. Now is there a market for more casual users who don't care about that, want to play games and don't want to have their own hardware? Maybe? But I'm not seeing any evidence it's anything more than a niche. You could probably play Civilization that way. FPSs? MOBAs? Not so much.

munk-a 5y ago
I am waiting until the chance I get to burn down several Google data-centers running dwarf fortress on stadia and egging on a catsplosion.

Nicksil 5y ago

>This is why I'm bullish on tech like Stadia. It's simply not possible to have conventional cheats on it. >If you haven't, give it a try (free): https://stadia.google.com/games/destiny-2 https://stadia.google.com/games/destiny-2 Perhaps you should also mention you work for Google.

cybernautique 5y ago
Agreed. Seems like a conflict of interest. I'd very much appreciate any Googler outright stating as such at even the slightest mention of their employer, and doubly so when recommend Google products. It would be hypocritical of me to not do as I ask of others, so for the record: I'm a self-employed programming consultant.

mhh__ 5y ago

Is Stadia actually acceptable for games where people really care about cheating?