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I always wondered if you could exploit the niche and largely-uncensored nature of Pornhub to share "whatever you want", particularly if you don't care if your w

I always wondered if you could exploit the niche and largely-uncensored nature of Pornhub to share "whatever you want", particularly if you don't care if your work is monetized. I tend to have a fairly dark sense of humor, and while I don't think I would say anything that would get me banned from YouTube, it would also be interesting to completely avoid any kind of worrying about violating a TOS.

gambiting 5y ago
From what I understand PornHub actually has more strict user verification than YouTube for uploads, so no, that would be a really bad place for it. Now, a place like motherless, with only a marginal amount of moderation to filter out the illegal stuff....maybe.
- jdavis703 5y ago
  The OP wants to avoid censorship. They did not mention wanting anonymity. For example I used to shoot a lot of artistic nude photography. I published the work under my own name. I had no desire to hide my name, and thus my primary concern were using platforms that allowed my content. Now of course some people will want to publish their work anonymously. But free speech does not require anonymity.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    Yes, but if you get banned for uploading copyrighted content on PH once then you're banned for life as opening another account and verifying it would be very hard.
    - jdavis703 5y ago
      Perhaps we differ on the meaning of free speech, but I do not believe copyright itself is a violation of the spirit off free speech. In a sense copyright can be seen as enabling more free speech, since it enables people the opportunity to support themselves through artistic & intellectual pursuits that would otherwise be unprofitable without copyright protections.
      - gambiting 5y ago
        Well, copyright is just an example of things they could still ban you for. My point is that any ban for any reason on PH is much worse in consequence than a ban on YT, because the strong user verification means you won't be able to upload ever again. Posting political videos from any side would get you banned too, and I'm sure that fits your definition of free speech
everyone 5y ago
Anything you post can still get taken down for any reason. Eg. In 2020 credit card companies were worried about CP on it, so Pornhub nuked their own site, removing every video from every 'unverified' user. The majority of the content. "The changes took the number of videos on the website from 13.5 million videos down to a little under 3 million." https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/15/business/pornhub-videos-removed/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/15/business/pornhub-videos-r...
- tombert 5y ago
  Fair enough! I guess it's good that I didn't post anything on there, I guess my comment was just my (poorly thought out) thought experiment.
gremloni 5y ago
You don’t have to wonder. That paradigm has come and gone. It was basically a meme for a long time. It died when pornhub decided to purge all their user uploaded content about half a year ago.
- gtf21 5y ago
  "Decided to purge" because they had constantly ignored pleas to remove abusive and/or illegal content from their platform and were in danger of attention from the judicial arm of the state?
  - gremloni 5y ago
    I don’t believe a small minority of content should effect an action on 99.9% of all content uploaded.
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Cry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Cry
    - gtf21 5y ago
      Relevant section: > In February 2020, the organization's Director of Abolition, Laila Mickelwait, launched a petition to shut down the adult website Pornhub. Mickelwait's campaign using the hashtag "#Traffickinghub" was co-sponsored by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation, an anti-pornography organization formerly known as Morality in Media. By September, the campaign had gained over two million signatures, and on December 10, following an opinion column by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof alleging the site was being used to share sex abuse videos,[9] Visa and Mastercard stopped allowing Pornhub to accept credit card transactions.[10] Shortly after, the Canadian Parliament began conducting hearings to investigate the allegations against PornHub.[11] In December 2020, Pornhub's parent company MindGeek was sued in California on allegations of hosting non-consensual videos produced by GirlsDoPorn, which allegedly coerced women into appearing in their videos under false pretenses. In January 2021, a class action lawsuit making similar allegations was launched in Montreal, seeking $600 million in damages for anyone whose intimate photos and videos had been shared on MindGeek's sites without their consent.[12] In June 2021, another class-action lawsuit by 34 additional women was filed against Mindgeek in federal court, alleging that the company had exploited them and hosted and promoted videos that depicted rape, revenge porn, and child sexual abuse.[13]

gambiting 5y ago

From what I understand PornHub actually has more strict user verification than YouTube for uploads, so no, that would be a really bad place for it. Now, a place like motherless, with only a marginal amount of moderation to filter out the illegal stuff....maybe.

jdavis703 5y ago
The OP wants to avoid censorship. They did not mention wanting anonymity. For example I used to shoot a lot of artistic nude photography. I published the work under my own name. I had no desire to hide my name, and thus my primary concern were using platforms that allowed my content. Now of course some people will want to publish their work anonymously. But free speech does not require anonymity.
- gambiting 5y ago
  Yes, but if you get banned for uploading copyrighted content on PH once then you're banned for life as opening another account and verifying it would be very hard.
  - jdavis703 5y ago
    Perhaps we differ on the meaning of free speech, but I do not believe copyright itself is a violation of the spirit off free speech. In a sense copyright can be seen as enabling more free speech, since it enables people the opportunity to support themselves through artistic & intellectual pursuits that would otherwise be unprofitable without copyright protections.
    - gambiting 5y ago
      Well, copyright is just an example of things they could still ban you for. My point is that any ban for any reason on PH is much worse in consequence than a ban on YT, because the strong user verification means you won't be able to upload ever again. Posting political videos from any side would get you banned too, and I'm sure that fits your definition of free speech

everyone 5y ago

Anything you post can still get taken down for any reason. Eg. In 2020 credit card companies were worried about CP on it, so Pornhub nuked their own site, removing every video from every 'unverified' user. The majority of the content. "The changes took the number of videos on the website from 13.5 million videos down to a little under 3 million." https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/15/business/pornhub-videos-removed/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/15/business/pornhub-videos-r...

tombert 5y ago
Fair enough! I guess it's good that I didn't post anything on there, I guess my comment was just my (poorly thought out) thought experiment.

gremloni 5y ago

You don’t have to wonder. That paradigm has come and gone. It was basically a meme for a long time. It died when pornhub decided to purge all their user uploaded content about half a year ago.

gtf21 5y ago
"Decided to purge" because they had constantly ignored pleas to remove abusive and/or illegal content from their platform and were in danger of attention from the judicial arm of the state?
- gremloni 5y ago
  I don’t believe a small minority of content should effect an action on 99.9% of all content uploaded.
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Cry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Cry
  - gtf21 5y ago
    Relevant section: > In February 2020, the organization's Director of Abolition, Laila Mickelwait, launched a petition to shut down the adult website Pornhub. Mickelwait's campaign using the hashtag "#Traffickinghub" was co-sponsored by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation, an anti-pornography organization formerly known as Morality in Media. By September, the campaign had gained over two million signatures, and on December 10, following an opinion column by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof alleging the site was being used to share sex abuse videos,[9] Visa and Mastercard stopped allowing Pornhub to accept credit card transactions.[10] Shortly after, the Canadian Parliament began conducting hearings to investigate the allegations against PornHub.[11] In December 2020, Pornhub's parent company MindGeek was sued in California on allegations of hosting non-consensual videos produced by GirlsDoPorn, which allegedly coerced women into appearing in their videos under false pretenses. In January 2021, a class action lawsuit making similar allegations was launched in Montreal, seeking $600 million in damages for anyone whose intimate photos and videos had been shared on MindGeek's sites without their consent.[12] In June 2021, another class-action lawsuit by 34 additional women was filed against Mindgeek in federal court, alleging that the company had exploited them and hosted and promoted videos that depicted rape, revenge porn, and child sexual abuse.[13]