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Many folks are comparing it to previous Macs with macOS, not PCs nor other distros. If you have an Intel Mac next to it, there's a clear noticeable difference

Many folks are comparing it to previous Macs with macOS, not PCs nor other distros. If you have an Intel Mac next to it, there's a clear noticeable difference assuming macOS is on it. If you put W10 on the Intel Mac, it is much faster than macOS on it (from my own experience). If we could run W10 or Linux on M1, it will be much faster than Intel Mac. Another example, Windows 10/11 on ARM in Parallels on my MBA m1 is much faster than Surface Pro X, a MS-tuned/customized device.

EugeneOZ 5y ago
I’m comparing Windows PC (i7-6700k, nvme) with MBA m1 and MBA is noticeable faster in just everything. Compilation time of JS and Java code is literally 2 times faster on MBA M1 than on desktop i7 CPU.
- jeppester 5y ago
  While the M1 is surely impressive I think you put too much weight on those JS compilation results. Windows is known to be really slow for this specific task since it has poor per-file IO performance - especially when Windows Defender is enabled. I do my daily work - involving lots of JS compilation - on a i5-4690 running ubuntu server, it's faster than any of my colleagues' much newer MacBook Pros (no M1's yet though). Our Windows laptops are so far behind that it's just awful to watch (3-5 times slower).
- EugeneOZ 5y ago
  for those who downvote the facts they don't want to know about: https://twitter.com/eugeniyoz/status/1407518570888810497?s=21 https://twitter.com/eugeniyoz/status/1407518570888810497?s=2...
  - ry4nolson 5y ago
    nobody is arguing with your facts, just that your comparison is apples and oranges since the i7 6700k was released 5+ years ago.
- munchbunny 5y ago
  Isn't the i7-6700k 3-4 generations older at this point than the m1?
- rahimnathwani 5y ago
  i7-6700k is 6 years old. The current equivalent i7 (i7-11700k) is almost 2x as fast when using all cores.
  - ricardobeat 5y ago
    If the latest gen, top cpu is “almost 2x as fast” it will still lose to the parent’s “literally 2 times faster” M1. While using 4x more power.
    - rahimnathwani 5y ago
      Right but GP's main points were: - noticeable faster in just everything - literally 2 times faster [compiling code] Neither of these statements is true when comparing against the latest generation, which is the relevant comparison. The power thing is true, but irrelevant to GP's point and my objection to it.
      - EugeneOZ 5y ago
        I was comparing 2 computers I have (read the comment I replied to). But if you are saying that passively cooled Apple notebook should be compared to last-gen Intel desktop CPU with powerful cooler - Apple enginers would be honored to read it ;)
- wging 5y ago
  That hardware is from 2015, though. A fairer comparison would be to current gen Intel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i7_processors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i7_processo...
  - EugeneOZ 5y ago
    To current intel laptop (without a cooler), maybe, not to desktop with powerful cooler. I’m sure desktop CPU should be much more powerful.
vmception 5y ago
For me, all the gains from a W10 running faster than MacOS are lost because I have to immediately go into control panel to fix everything. Those fast computers are waiting on me to improve the user experience most of the time. I'm personally not really splitting hairs over much longer running processes if I have to walk away anyway.
- oblio 5y ago
  Fix everything?

EugeneOZ 5y ago

I’m comparing Windows PC (i7-6700k, nvme) with MBA m1 and MBA is noticeable faster in just everything. Compilation time of JS and Java code is literally 2 times faster on MBA M1 than on desktop i7 CPU.

jeppester 5y ago
While the M1 is surely impressive I think you put too much weight on those JS compilation results. Windows is known to be really slow for this specific task since it has poor per-file IO performance - especially when Windows Defender is enabled. I do my daily work - involving lots of JS compilation - on a i5-4690 running ubuntu server, it's faster than any of my colleagues' much newer MacBook Pros (no M1's yet though). Our Windows laptops are so far behind that it's just awful to watch (3-5 times slower).
EugeneOZ 5y ago
for those who downvote the facts they don't want to know about: https://twitter.com/eugeniyoz/status/1407518570888810497?s=21 https://twitter.com/eugeniyoz/status/1407518570888810497?s=2...
- ry4nolson 5y ago
  nobody is arguing with your facts, just that your comparison is apples and oranges since the i7 6700k was released 5+ years ago.
munchbunny 5y ago
Isn't the i7-6700k 3-4 generations older at this point than the m1?
rahimnathwani 5y ago
i7-6700k is 6 years old. The current equivalent i7 (i7-11700k) is almost 2x as fast when using all cores.
- ricardobeat 5y ago
  If the latest gen, top cpu is “almost 2x as fast” it will still lose to the parent’s “literally 2 times faster” M1. While using 4x more power.
  - rahimnathwani 5y ago
    Right but GP's main points were: - noticeable faster in just everything - literally 2 times faster [compiling code] Neither of these statements is true when comparing against the latest generation, which is the relevant comparison. The power thing is true, but irrelevant to GP's point and my objection to it.
    - EugeneOZ 5y ago
      I was comparing 2 computers I have (read the comment I replied to). But if you are saying that passively cooled Apple notebook should be compared to last-gen Intel desktop CPU with powerful cooler - Apple enginers would be honored to read it ;)
wging 5y ago
That hardware is from 2015, though. A fairer comparison would be to current gen Intel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i7_processors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i7_processo...
- EugeneOZ 5y ago
  To current intel laptop (without a cooler), maybe, not to desktop with powerful cooler. I’m sure desktop CPU should be much more powerful.

vmception 5y ago

For me, all the gains from a W10 running faster than MacOS are lost because I have to immediately go into control panel to fix everything. Those fast computers are waiting on me to improve the user experience most of the time. I'm personally not really splitting hairs over much longer running processes if I have to walk away anyway.

oblio 5y ago
Fix everything?