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Truth as Transcendental: Ontological Foundations

30 points by danielam 5y ago

clarkrinker 5y ago
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motohagiography 5y ago
Question I would ask is, while I agree (aesthetically) with what I think his position is - when he sets up logical vs. ontological truth as competing models of reality, is he not setting ontological truth as "real reality," and then logical truth as "reality prime," as in, he has set up a figure/ground relationship that favours ontological truth, but appears to be arguing as though he is weighing them as complementary? Maybe he's still setting it up after the halfway point? I don't disagree with him about the necessary conditions for transcendental truth, but the form of his argument seems to leave that thread to be tugged on.
- sigg3 5y ago
  I haven't read the article, but logical truth is always "just" axiomatic. You can relate it to empirical reality using e.g. correspondence theory, induction, authoritative texts and other relating methods (ontologies). An ontology, on the other hand, is the study of what is or in sum what reality is, when understood from the viewpoint of the author. That's its raison d'être. Perhaps this is relevant? I stopped reading these articles because I'm too rusty.
  - sigg3 5y ago
    My first two paragraphs are the subject matter of Aristoteles' the Metaphysics, if anyone asks. Study at your own peril.
nmlk 5y ago
Feisty Feser at it again
rrwright 5y ago
I realize he’s writing from the Thomist tradition, and so his peers let him get away with such things… but assuming platonic essences exists and are simply given to our minds, and then using that to base the argument for how an intellect apprehends “truth”?? That’s begging the question of the worst kind! It made me cringe while listening and occasionally shout back, “But you can’t just assume that!” In the analytic tradition, I think you’ll find no better explanation for truth than Quine’s explanation of Tarski’s “Convention T” for the semantic theory of truth. Quine’s short book “The Pursuit of Truth” is a somewhat technical, but richly insightful explanation of how truth works, explained by one of the 20th century’s most important logicians. It’s small, but it’s a slow read, and probably fits well to the kind of formal logic that programmers could enjoy.
- nathias 5y ago
  Analytic tradition (at the time of Quine at least) has not even understood the problem adressed by epistemology like the platonist (which is primitive but at last Plato understood the problem).

30 points by danielam 5y ago

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Question I would ask is, while I agree (aesthetically) with what I think his position is - when he sets up logical vs. ontological truth as competing models of reality, is he not setting ontological truth as "real reality," and then logical truth as "reality prime," as in, he has set up a figure/ground relationship that favours ontological truth, but appears to be arguing as though he is weighing them as complementary? Maybe he's still setting it up after the halfway point? I don't disagree with him about the necessary conditions for transcendental truth, but the form of his argument seems to leave that thread to be tugged on.

sigg3 5y ago
I haven't read the article, but logical truth is always "just" axiomatic. You can relate it to empirical reality using e.g. correspondence theory, induction, authoritative texts and other relating methods (ontologies). An ontology, on the other hand, is the study of what is or in sum what reality is, when understood from the viewpoint of the author. That's its raison d'être. Perhaps this is relevant? I stopped reading these articles because I'm too rusty.
- sigg3 5y ago
  My first two paragraphs are the subject matter of Aristoteles' the Metaphysics, if anyone asks. Study at your own peril.

nmlk 5y ago

Feisty Feser at it again

rrwright 5y ago

I realize he’s writing from the Thomist tradition, and so his peers let him get away with such things… but assuming platonic essences exists and are simply given to our minds, and then using that to base the argument for how an intellect apprehends “truth”?? That’s begging the question of the worst kind! It made me cringe while listening and occasionally shout back, “But you can’t just assume that!” In the analytic tradition, I think you’ll find no better explanation for truth than Quine’s explanation of Tarski’s “Convention T” for the semantic theory of truth. Quine’s short book “The Pursuit of Truth” is a somewhat technical, but richly insightful explanation of how truth works, explained by one of the 20th century’s most important logicians. It’s small, but it’s a slow read, and probably fits well to the kind of formal logic that programmers could enjoy.

nathias 5y ago
Analytic tradition (at the time of Quine at least) has not even understood the problem adressed by epistemology like the platonist (which is primitive but at last Plato understood the problem).