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His anti-vaccination stance (specific to coronavirus, I don't know if he's anti-vax in general). He pushes ivermectin as a valid alternative to the vaccines wh

by mehphp 5y ago

His anti-vaccination stance (specific to coronavirus, I don't know if he's anti-vax in general). He pushes ivermectin as a valid alternative to the vaccines when the data does not currently back that up.

ajvs 5y ago
He's not an anti-vaxxer. He is pro-vaccine for all other illnesses. He's also said he doesn't care if you choose to take it, just don't mandate it For all people when the science is not clear about the cost:benefit ratio for certain populations such as children. That being against mandating these emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines for all individuals is being conflated as being an "anti-vaxxer" shows how much propaganda has caused some people to lose all rationality on this topic.
- mehphp 5y ago
  I'm not conflating the two, I didn't say anything about his stance on the mandates. > That being against mandating these emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines They are not "experimental" by the way, THAT is propaganda/misinformation.
  - thehappypm 5y ago
    All medicine is experimental to some degree, until you have years of data.
  - gred 5y ago
    Please. I had to sign a 3-page liability waiver to get my COVID vaccine. I didn't have to do that for my flu vaccine, and never have.
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  > when the science is not clear about the cost:benefit It is clear > emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines They're not "experimental" and the emergency approval process is still extensive. https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emerge... > What is the process that manufacturers are following to potentially make a COVID-19 vaccine available by EUA? > Vaccine manufacturers are undertaking a development process that includes tens of thousands of study participants to generate non-clinical, clinical, and manufacturing information needed by FDA for the agency to determine whether the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of a vaccine for the prevention of COVID-19. > When the phase 3 portion of the human clinical trial reaches a predetermined point that informs how well a vaccine prevents COVID-19, as discussed and agreed to in advance with FDA, an independent group (called a data safety monitoring board) will review the data and inform the manufacturer of the results. Based on the data and the interpretation of the data by this group, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA, taking into consideration input from FDA. > After FDA receives an EUA request, our career scientists and physicians will evaluate all of the information included in the manufacturer’s submission. > While FDA’s evaluation is ongoing, we will also schedule a public meeting of our Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, which is made up of external scientific and public health experts from throughout the country. During the meeting, these experts, who are carefully screened for any potential conflicts of interest, will discuss the safety and effectiveness data so that the public and scientific community will have a clear understanding of the data and information that FDA is evaluating to make a decision whether to authorize a COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use. > Following the advisory committee meeting, FDA’s career professional staff will consider the input of the advisory committee members and continue their evaluation of the submission to determine whether the available safety and effectiveness and manufacturing data support an emergency use authorization of the specific COVID-19 vaccine in the United States. Hmmmm, who to trust...a so-so actor from a 90's sitcom, or hundreds of scientists
- phatfish 5y ago
  Rogan says whatever it takes to keep his core audience on board, when he isn't just parroting the opinion of the last person he spoke to. His core audience are conspiracy theorists from his early days, which has a very big overlap with full on anti-vaxers. It wouldn't surprise me if he still believed the moon landings were faked, he just realises you don't get million plus listens and a Spotify deal making that sort of thing public.
thehappypm 5y ago
His stance on covid in general boils down to “be healthy enough that you don’t need a vaccine”. He consistently argues that the real issue is obesity and that being healthy and fit (and taking vitamins) reduces the risk of covid to nearly nil for young people, to the point that even the small risk of vaccine side effects or unknown long term effects could be worth considering. That’s not the same as telling people not to get vaccinated.

by mehphp 5y ago

ajvs 5y ago

He's not an anti-vaxxer. He is pro-vaccine for all other illnesses. He's also said he doesn't care if you choose to take it, just don't mandate it For all people when the science is not clear about the cost:benefit ratio for certain populations such as children. That being against mandating these emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines for all individuals is being conflated as being an "anti-vaxxer" shows how much propaganda has caused some people to lose all rationality on this topic.

mehphp 5y ago
I'm not conflating the two, I didn't say anything about his stance on the mandates. > That being against mandating these emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines They are not "experimental" by the way, THAT is propaganda/misinformation.
- thehappypm 5y ago
  All medicine is experimental to some degree, until you have years of data.
- gred 5y ago
  Please. I had to sign a 3-page liability waiver to get my COVID vaccine. I didn't have to do that for my flu vaccine, and never have.
KennyBlanken 5y ago
> when the science is not clear about the cost:benefit It is clear > emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines They're not "experimental" and the emergency approval process is still extensive. https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emerge... > What is the process that manufacturers are following to potentially make a COVID-19 vaccine available by EUA? > Vaccine manufacturers are undertaking a development process that includes tens of thousands of study participants to generate non-clinical, clinical, and manufacturing information needed by FDA for the agency to determine whether the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks of a vaccine for the prevention of COVID-19. > When the phase 3 portion of the human clinical trial reaches a predetermined point that informs how well a vaccine prevents COVID-19, as discussed and agreed to in advance with FDA, an independent group (called a data safety monitoring board) will review the data and inform the manufacturer of the results. Based on the data and the interpretation of the data by this group, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA, taking into consideration input from FDA. > After FDA receives an EUA request, our career scientists and physicians will evaluate all of the information included in the manufacturer’s submission. > While FDA’s evaluation is ongoing, we will also schedule a public meeting of our Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, which is made up of external scientific and public health experts from throughout the country. During the meeting, these experts, who are carefully screened for any potential conflicts of interest, will discuss the safety and effectiveness data so that the public and scientific community will have a clear understanding of the data and information that FDA is evaluating to make a decision whether to authorize a COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use. > Following the advisory committee meeting, FDA’s career professional staff will consider the input of the advisory committee members and continue their evaluation of the submission to determine whether the available safety and effectiveness and manufacturing data support an emergency use authorization of the specific COVID-19 vaccine in the United States. Hmmmm, who to trust...a so-so actor from a 90's sitcom, or hundreds of scientists
phatfish 5y ago
Rogan says whatever it takes to keep his core audience on board, when he isn't just parroting the opinion of the last person he spoke to. His core audience are conspiracy theorists from his early days, which has a very big overlap with full on anti-vaxers. It wouldn't surprise me if he still believed the moon landings were faked, he just realises you don't get million plus listens and a Spotify deal making that sort of thing public.

thehappypm 5y ago

His stance on covid in general boils down to “be healthy enough that you don’t need a vaccine”. He consistently argues that the real issue is obesity and that being healthy and fit (and taking vitamins) reduces the risk of covid to nearly nil for young people, to the point that even the small risk of vaccine side effects or unknown long term effects could be worth considering. That’s not the same as telling people not to get vaccinated.