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> In this sense it isn't any different than Forth, LISP, COBOL and FORTRAN. Given that Fortran is used all the time for numerical computations, especially in

> In this sense it isn't any different than Forth, LISP, COBOL and FORTRAN. Given that Fortran is used all the time for numerical computations, especially in science, and this very site runs on LISP, I'm not sure you're making the point you think you are making.

robomartin 5y ago
> I'm not sure you're making the point you think you are making Not counting "it would be nice if you had exposure to these languages." A job, where you are required to primarily develop software using these languages. That's the criteria. ----------------------------------------------------- Monster.com "apl software engineer" results: 0 "fortran software engineer" results: 0 "lisp software engineer" results: 0 ----------------------------------------------------- Linkedin: "apl developer" results: 1 "fortran developer" results: 0 "lisp developer" results: 0 "python developer" ~50,000 results (no, did not bother to filter through the list to get down to actual python jobs vs. mentions) "c++ developer" ~100K (same comment) ----------------------------------------------------- Oh, no, I am making precisely the right point. HN running on LISP is a rounding error. FORTRAN for scientific computing is also a rounding error. These things are dead.
- rhn_mk1 5y ago
  You're not going to find scientfic positions advertised on LinkedIn, and I don't know what other blind spots that selection makes. I would concede if you compared StackOverflow questions. That would also reflect the definition of "alive" from the article better ("actual usage").
  - robomartin 5y ago
    Oh, please! https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/apl https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/apl 266 questions https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/fortran https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/fortran 11,855 questions https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/forth https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/forth 262 questions https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python 1,817,529 questions https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/c++ https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/c++ 741,496 questions LISP: 6,615 javascript: 2,285,941 java: 1,805,413 c#: 1,503,129 php: 1,417,981 etc. If "underwater_basket_weaving" was a tag it would likely get more questions than APL, Forth and LISP combined. Let it go...

robomartin 5y ago

> I'm not sure you're making the point you think you are making Not counting "it would be nice if you had exposure to these languages." A job, where you are required to primarily develop software using these languages. That's the criteria. ----------------------------------------------------- Monster.com "apl software engineer" results: 0 "fortran software engineer" results: 0 "lisp software engineer" results: 0 ----------------------------------------------------- Linkedin: "apl developer" results: 1 "fortran developer" results: 0 "lisp developer" results: 0 "python developer" ~50,000 results (no, did not bother to filter through the list to get down to actual python jobs vs. mentions) "c++ developer" ~100K (same comment) ----------------------------------------------------- Oh, no, I am making precisely the right point. HN running on LISP is a rounding error. FORTRAN for scientific computing is also a rounding error. These things are dead.

rhn_mk1 5y ago
You're not going to find scientfic positions advertised on LinkedIn, and I don't know what other blind spots that selection makes. I would concede if you compared StackOverflow questions. That would also reflect the definition of "alive" from the article better ("actual usage").
- robomartin 5y ago
  Oh, please! https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/apl https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/apl 266 questions https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/fortran https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/fortran 11,855 questions https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/forth https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/forth 262 questions https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python 1,817,529 questions https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/c++ https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/c++ 741,496 questions LISP: 6,615 javascript: 2,285,941 java: 1,805,413 c#: 1,503,129 php: 1,417,981 etc. If "underwater_basket_weaving" was a tag it would likely get more questions than APL, Forth and LISP combined. Let it go...