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Yes, how dare we put our political power behind minorities. It's a travesty against the majority, I agree. /s

toyg 5y ago
Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans. Watch the show, he talks about this too.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans. “Minority” in the relevant sense is not “group that constitutes less than 50%” but “group that is a historical target of large scale social discrimination inn the society which is the context of discussion” (the term “minority” is an accident of history; had the language developed first in, say, apartheid South Africa, the term adopted probably wouldn't have been “disadvantaged minority” from which over time the first word usually got dropped.) And even in the numerical sense, everybody is a minority of a minority if you choose the right set of axes of variation to look at, so in the sense that it is true of Chappelle, it is not “unlike most trans”.
  - toyg 5y ago
    Playing semantics will not change the fact that this political battle is hugely overblown. There is precious little "activism energy" coming from tech people, and what do they spend it on? A campaign supporting "white men who happen to have strong kinks" against a self-made black comedian. And when you point it out, they go "support minorities!" while in fact shooting down actual bona-fide minorities.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > A campaign supporting "white men who happen to have strong kinks" Transgender people aren't all men (whether you are referring to gender identity or, as seems more likely from the overall tenor of your comment, a bigoted misgendering by sex assigned at birth), and are disproportionately Black and Hispanic compared to the general population. > shooting down actual bona-fide minorities. The idea that trans people aren't a bona fide minority whereas comedians are is...odd.
      - toyg 5y ago
        I'm sorry, I'm not enlightened enough to go down a rabbit hole of made-up categories invented by academics trying to justify their salaries in suspect disciplines. It would be like discussing the characteristics of a divinity: just accepting the debate means legitimising the unprovable. And yes, my guess is that black comedians as a minority are more worthy of protection and support than (activist white) trans people. At least they make me laugh, instead of making problems.

toyg 5y ago

Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans. Watch the show, he talks about this too.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans. “Minority” in the relevant sense is not “group that constitutes less than 50%” but “group that is a historical target of large scale social discrimination inn the society which is the context of discussion” (the term “minority” is an accident of history; had the language developed first in, say, apartheid South Africa, the term adopted probably wouldn't have been “disadvantaged minority” from which over time the first word usually got dropped.) And even in the numerical sense, everybody is a minority of a minority if you choose the right set of axes of variation to look at, so in the sense that it is true of Chappelle, it is not “unlike most trans”.
- toyg 5y ago
  Playing semantics will not change the fact that this political battle is hugely overblown. There is precious little "activism energy" coming from tech people, and what do they spend it on? A campaign supporting "white men who happen to have strong kinks" against a self-made black comedian. And when you point it out, they go "support minorities!" while in fact shooting down actual bona-fide minorities.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > A campaign supporting "white men who happen to have strong kinks" Transgender people aren't all men (whether you are referring to gender identity or, as seems more likely from the overall tenor of your comment, a bigoted misgendering by sex assigned at birth), and are disproportionately Black and Hispanic compared to the general population. > shooting down actual bona-fide minorities. The idea that trans people aren't a bona fide minority whereas comedians are is...odd.
    - toyg 5y ago
      I'm sorry, I'm not enlightened enough to go down a rabbit hole of made-up categories invented by academics trying to justify their salaries in suspect disciplines. It would be like discussing the characteristics of a divinity: just accepting the debate means legitimising the unprovable. And yes, my guess is that black comedians as a minority are more worthy of protection and support than (activist white) trans people. At least they make me laugh, instead of making problems.