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>they were flying high. Per StatCounter, Mozilla's market share decline started in early 2010 (including mobile, late 2010 for desktop only) and Eich was fired

by sf_rob 5y ago

>they were flying high. Per StatCounter, Mozilla's market share decline started in early 2010 (including mobile, late 2010 for desktop only) and Eich was fired (resigned, but that's BS) in early 2014. Eich was still at Mozilla (not CEO) when Mozilla under-invested in desktop performance, failed to get Firefox OS off the ground, and most likely laid the groundwork to switching to Yahoo.

BrendanEich 5y ago
I was influencer only until 2013 when I took over engineering, so I’ll take some blame for desktop, especially from then till I left. Mozilla bungled Firefox OS after I left, lost Andreas Gal and most of the top talent, lost Li Gong, while KaiOS based on same code and business plan, with some of the talent, took over and grew to over 200M phones. Blame Mozilla there. I had nothing to do with the switch to Yahoo. That deal was a gleam in someone else’s eye and I left before it was done. Last thing: how did not-me leadership do after I left, and I started Brave and grew it to 40M users while Firefox lost over 50M? You may dislike me, but your fantasy blame game cannot excuse Mozilla outcomes lately.
- cybernautique 5y ago
  Any thoughts on rebasing Brave to Rust, or else picking up the now-defunct Servo project?
- sf_rob 5y ago
  >You may dislike me I said nothing of the sort. >but your fantasy blame game I did not blame you, only addressed the narrow point of Mozilla "flying high" in 2014. >cannot excuse Mozilla outcomes lately I said nothing about Mozilla's recent history. I get that the tech community has not treated you nicely so I guess I understand reading things defensively, but that doesn't inspire good faith discussion.
  - BrendanEich 5y ago
    What a fake reply. First, you did blame me: "Eich was still at Mozilla (not CEO) when Mozilla under-invested in desktop performance, failed to get Firefox OS off the ground, and most likely laid the groundwork to switching to Yahoo." The last "most likely laid the groundwork" ungrammatically modifies the "Eich was still at Mozilla" and definitely tries to blame me for Firefox making Yahoo default search in Dec. 2014. Own up to the denotation of your own fractured words! Of course you didn't mention Mozilla's history after me, as you were too busy blaming me for problems up until I left. There is no "the tech community" and I'm not defensive, but you are, because I called out your offensive and dishonest comment. Have a nice day.
    - sf_rob 5y ago
      My original response was to someone who set the timeframe (2014), the person (you), and the claim (healthy Mozilla). I'm sorry for suggesting that you might be defensive rather than just disingenuous but thanks for putting it on full display.
      - BrendanEich 5y ago
        I'm not sorry for noticing that you are worried about being called a liar.

by sf_rob 5y ago

BrendanEich 5y ago

I was influencer only until 2013 when I took over engineering, so I’ll take some blame for desktop, especially from then till I left. Mozilla bungled Firefox OS after I left, lost Andreas Gal and most of the top talent, lost Li Gong, while KaiOS based on same code and business plan, with some of the talent, took over and grew to over 200M phones. Blame Mozilla there. I had nothing to do with the switch to Yahoo. That deal was a gleam in someone else’s eye and I left before it was done. Last thing: how did not-me leadership do after I left, and I started Brave and grew it to 40M users while Firefox lost over 50M? You may dislike me, but your fantasy blame game cannot excuse Mozilla outcomes lately.

cybernautique 5y ago
Any thoughts on rebasing Brave to Rust, or else picking up the now-defunct Servo project?
sf_rob 5y ago
>You may dislike me I said nothing of the sort. >but your fantasy blame game I did not blame you, only addressed the narrow point of Mozilla "flying high" in 2014. >cannot excuse Mozilla outcomes lately I said nothing about Mozilla's recent history. I get that the tech community has not treated you nicely so I guess I understand reading things defensively, but that doesn't inspire good faith discussion.
- BrendanEich 5y ago
  What a fake reply. First, you did blame me: "Eich was still at Mozilla (not CEO) when Mozilla under-invested in desktop performance, failed to get Firefox OS off the ground, and most likely laid the groundwork to switching to Yahoo." The last "most likely laid the groundwork" ungrammatically modifies the "Eich was still at Mozilla" and definitely tries to blame me for Firefox making Yahoo default search in Dec. 2014. Own up to the denotation of your own fractured words! Of course you didn't mention Mozilla's history after me, as you were too busy blaming me for problems up until I left. There is no "the tech community" and I'm not defensive, but you are, because I called out your offensive and dishonest comment. Have a nice day.
  - sf_rob 5y ago
    My original response was to someone who set the timeframe (2014), the person (you), and the claim (healthy Mozilla). I'm sorry for suggesting that you might be defensive rather than just disingenuous but thanks for putting it on full display.
    - BrendanEich 5y ago
      I'm not sorry for noticing that you are worried about being called a liar.