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> and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide Thats exactly what Chappelle did not say. He said that the bulling

> and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide Thats exactly what Chappelle did not say. He said that the bulling might not caused the suicide, but it sure did not help. I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. He deep cuts all of those fake virtue signalling people who do nothing and sacrifice noting for 'the cause', he walked away from the money of questionable hollywood people he took a stand. Maybe thats what irks those people? Mad world, mad world.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. As a Black person, the most common and tired defense of White racists has always been “Look at this one Black person I treated well, that proves I’m not a racist.” I guess its some kind of progress that that's now a defense against charges of bigotry by Black people as well as against them.
- me_me_me 5y ago
  You are getting downvoted because you are missing the point so profoundly, that is hard to begin why its wrong. The 'I am not racist I have a black friend' is used for a token acquaintance 'prove' you cannot be racist. There were some really deep points made there, my favourite was (I paraphrase) "i dont need you to understand me, I need you to acknowledge my human experience". Just because Chappelle and others are not 100% OK with everything that X movement/group is saying it doesn't mean he and others are anti-X. The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
    > The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out. This is what makes me sad. When someone says, "A is B", they don't just say "A is B", they demand that you accept this view. You cannot say "A is almost B", you cannot ask "is A 100% B?" you can't even say "let's talk about it!" You either agree to a given viewset 100%, or are labelled as an enemy, hater and whatnot. And we do deal with situations that are nuanced. Not just that, they have real-life implications for the whole society. Jess and Scott Smith are suing Loudoun County because the views that were imposed on them led to a tragedy. It seems as if in a race towards extreme progressivism the common sense has been lost.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > You are getting downvoted because If you have an argument to make, make it, but trying to marshal current net voting as evidence of support so that you can make an ad populum argument is kind of dumb, in part because ad populum is a fallacy, in part because there is never any support for your attribution of motive to voting, and also in part because net vote totals are...rather fluid on HN.
    - me_me_me 5y ago
      I see you got nothing to say so you attack random non points. Claiming intellectual superiority right after being called out that you make statements on subject you did not bother looking into is actually dumb. As a matter of fact I did not used actual ad populum rather i pointed out the reason why people downvoted you, I made an argument WHY you were incorrect and not told you that you are wrong because you are downvoted.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. As a Black person, the most common and tired defense of White racists has always been “Look at this one Black person I treated well, that proves I’m not a racist.” I guess its some kind of progress that that's now a defense against charges of bigotry by Black people as well as against them.

me_me_me 5y ago
You are getting downvoted because you are missing the point so profoundly, that is hard to begin why its wrong. The 'I am not racist I have a black friend' is used for a token acquaintance 'prove' you cannot be racist. There were some really deep points made there, my favourite was (I paraphrase) "i dont need you to understand me, I need you to acknowledge my human experience". Just because Chappelle and others are not 100% OK with everything that X movement/group is saying it doesn't mean he and others are anti-X. The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  > The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out. This is what makes me sad. When someone says, "A is B", they don't just say "A is B", they demand that you accept this view. You cannot say "A is almost B", you cannot ask "is A 100% B?" you can't even say "let's talk about it!" You either agree to a given viewset 100%, or are labelled as an enemy, hater and whatnot. And we do deal with situations that are nuanced. Not just that, they have real-life implications for the whole society. Jess and Scott Smith are suing Loudoun County because the views that were imposed on them led to a tragedy. It seems as if in a race towards extreme progressivism the common sense has been lost.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > You are getting downvoted because If you have an argument to make, make it, but trying to marshal current net voting as evidence of support so that you can make an ad populum argument is kind of dumb, in part because ad populum is a fallacy, in part because there is never any support for your attribution of motive to voting, and also in part because net vote totals are...rather fluid on HN.
  - me_me_me 5y ago
    I see you got nothing to say so you attack random non points. Claiming intellectual superiority right after being called out that you make statements on subject you did not bother looking into is actually dumb. As a matter of fact I did not used actual ad populum rather i pointed out the reason why people downvoted you, I made an argument WHY you were incorrect and not told you that you are wrong because you are downvoted.