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I actually dont think its the corporation doing this, its just their ranks are filled with mostly H1Bs, who want to hire other H1Bs from their home countries. T

I actually dont think its the corporation doing this, its just their ranks are filled with mostly H1Bs, who want to hire other H1Bs from their home countries. This practice is absolutely rampant in tech companies. Orgs and departments commonly organize along racial and country of origin lines. I see this at some of the most well known tech companies. Yet I never hear a word spoken of it

twofornone 5y ago
It's the ugly side of diversity. When everyone's so busy being "antiracist" they turn a blind eye to racism from the "underprivileged". There's this mass delusion that only one ethnic group is capable of racism, and when they are on the receiving end it's deserved.
triceratops 5y ago
You're essentially saying the practice of using referrals in hiring should be ended.
- ffggvv 5y ago
  it has nothing to do with referrals. its people who never met eachother but favor each other based on country of origin. such that certain orgs don't speak english at all
  - triceratops 5y ago
    > its people who never met eachother but favor each other based on country of origin First off, citation needed that discrimination based on national origin is widespread. It's illegal and you should blow the whistle if you have actual knowledge of such acts. Second, "You're looking to hire X? My husband's friends's cousin is looking for an X role. Can I have her contact you?" => is a very common way of getting job interviews no matter what your nationality. If knowledge about the position is only propagated through personal and professional networks, the applicant pool will reflect that. > such that certain orgs don't speak english at all Sounds like bad management. If you believe in the free market, these businesses will fail. But I don't think they're breaking any laws, unless they discriminate against candidates that don't know this language (which is, again illegal, and you should report them).
    - ffggvv 5y ago
      no one really wants to upturn their entire life for a discrimination lawsuit for a practice that doesn’t even effect them. if you’ve worked at any fang orlarge tech company you’ve seen it. But it doesn’t affect you really if you’re not on one of the teams. and some of it may not even be explicit discrimination but self sorting. If i’m interviewing with multiple teams am i really going to join the one whose primary communication mechanism is in chinese/hindi and i’m the only american there? or choose the americanized team
      - deleted 5y ago
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- stadium 5y ago
  Paid referrals do get people in the door quickly, but at a cost of low diversity and homogenized skills and backgrounds.
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    I would challenge the use of word "cost" here, unless you have corroborating data.
    - stadium 5y ago
      First google result for "organizational cost of low diversity": https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/accenture-report-perception-gap-shows-economic-cost-lack-of-diversity-inclusion%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/accentu...
      - twofornone 5y ago
        That link is blatant propaganda. >number of inclusion topics, including the ability to fail without fear, the ability to report harassment, and the flexibility to work from home. Deliberately conflating "diversity and inclusion" with problems that have nothing to actually do with with gender/race. >Analysts found that companies where many employees felt engaged were more likely to demonstrate higher profit growth. Closing the gap by 50%, or making employees feel more included, pointed to a 33% increase in global profit growth for businesses. And then pulling numbers out of their asses based on a correlation between "employee engagement" and profit growth. This is what happens when politics suppress open discussion; research becomes one-sided and our policies myopically tread down a narrow path to dysfunction. The idea that skin color, gender, and/or sexuality have any bearing on the performance of a team is, ironically blatantly racist/sexist. I don't understand how people don't collapse under the weight of such a cognitive dissonance.
      - lostmsu 5y ago
        I am not sure why you equate diversity with inclusion. It's hard to see why members of a team 100% consisting of folks from Laos would feel less "included" in the work/company life than a team of 80% folks from Laos and 20% from Peru.
- ldjkfkdsjnv 5y ago
  thats not what I'm saying at all
R0b0t1 5y ago
This happens at Sprint/T-Mobile. It's gotten to the point I've seen people talking about how hard it is to get hired as a US citizen.

twofornone 5y ago

It's the ugly side of diversity. When everyone's so busy being "antiracist" they turn a blind eye to racism from the "underprivileged". There's this mass delusion that only one ethnic group is capable of racism, and when they are on the receiving end it's deserved.

triceratops 5y ago

You're essentially saying the practice of using referrals in hiring should be ended.

ffggvv 5y ago
it has nothing to do with referrals. its people who never met eachother but favor each other based on country of origin. such that certain orgs don't speak english at all
- triceratops 5y ago
  > its people who never met eachother but favor each other based on country of origin First off, citation needed that discrimination based on national origin is widespread. It's illegal and you should blow the whistle if you have actual knowledge of such acts. Second, "You're looking to hire X? My husband's friends's cousin is looking for an X role. Can I have her contact you?" => is a very common way of getting job interviews no matter what your nationality. If knowledge about the position is only propagated through personal and professional networks, the applicant pool will reflect that. > such that certain orgs don't speak english at all Sounds like bad management. If you believe in the free market, these businesses will fail. But I don't think they're breaking any laws, unless they discriminate against candidates that don't know this language (which is, again illegal, and you should report them).
  - ffggvv 5y ago
    no one really wants to upturn their entire life for a discrimination lawsuit for a practice that doesn’t even effect them. if you’ve worked at any fang orlarge tech company you’ve seen it. But it doesn’t affect you really if you’re not on one of the teams. and some of it may not even be explicit discrimination but self sorting. If i’m interviewing with multiple teams am i really going to join the one whose primary communication mechanism is in chinese/hindi and i’m the only american there? or choose the americanized team
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
stadium 5y ago
Paid referrals do get people in the door quickly, but at a cost of low diversity and homogenized skills and backgrounds.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  I would challenge the use of word "cost" here, unless you have corroborating data.
  - stadium 5y ago
    First google result for "organizational cost of low diversity": https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/accenture-report-perception-gap-shows-economic-cost-lack-of-diversity-inclusion%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/accentu...
    - twofornone 5y ago
      That link is blatant propaganda. >number of inclusion topics, including the ability to fail without fear, the ability to report harassment, and the flexibility to work from home. Deliberately conflating "diversity and inclusion" with problems that have nothing to actually do with with gender/race. >Analysts found that companies where many employees felt engaged were more likely to demonstrate higher profit growth. Closing the gap by 50%, or making employees feel more included, pointed to a 33% increase in global profit growth for businesses. And then pulling numbers out of their asses based on a correlation between "employee engagement" and profit growth. This is what happens when politics suppress open discussion; research becomes one-sided and our policies myopically tread down a narrow path to dysfunction. The idea that skin color, gender, and/or sexuality have any bearing on the performance of a team is, ironically blatantly racist/sexist. I don't understand how people don't collapse under the weight of such a cognitive dissonance.
    - lostmsu 5y ago
      I am not sure why you equate diversity with inclusion. It's hard to see why members of a team 100% consisting of folks from Laos would feel less "included" in the work/company life than a team of 80% folks from Laos and 20% from Peru.
ldjkfkdsjnv 5y ago
thats not what I'm saying at all

R0b0t1 5y ago

This happens at Sprint/T-Mobile. It's gotten to the point I've seen people talking about how hard it is to get hired as a US citizen.