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I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stu

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

toyg 5y ago
I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool. One thing that has become abundantly clear through history is that even marginalized groups, once empowered, have the potential (and often a vengeful inclination) to make others suffer.
- slowmovintarget 5y ago
  Yes. Empowerment is mistaken to mean power and authority over others instead of power and control over one's own destiny. When so distorted, such a "community" becomes a dominance hierarchy where the most aggrieved wins. History shows it is never healthy, it merely perfects bullying and viciousness.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  > I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool. Is there even a "trans community"? As far as I can tell, they try to stick together with the LGB crowd, rather successfully. The groups that are skeptical of T founded their own organizations, but I'd say they're very much a minority. Trans-progressivism is very much main stream, also as far as laws in different countries are concerned.
me_me_me 5y ago
> and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide Thats exactly what Chappelle did not say. He said that the bulling might not caused the suicide, but it sure did not help. I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. He deep cuts all of those fake virtue signalling people who do nothing and sacrifice noting for 'the cause', he walked away from the money of questionable hollywood people he took a stand. Maybe thats what irks those people? Mad world, mad world.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. As a Black person, the most common and tired defense of White racists has always been “Look at this one Black person I treated well, that proves I’m not a racist.” I guess its some kind of progress that that's now a defense against charges of bigotry by Black people as well as against them.
  - me_me_me 5y ago
    You are getting downvoted because you are missing the point so profoundly, that is hard to begin why its wrong. The 'I am not racist I have a black friend' is used for a token acquaintance 'prove' you cannot be racist. There were some really deep points made there, my favourite was (I paraphrase) "i dont need you to understand me, I need you to acknowledge my human experience". Just because Chappelle and others are not 100% OK with everything that X movement/group is saying it doesn't mean he and others are anti-X. The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out.
    - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
      > The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out. This is what makes me sad. When someone says, "A is B", they don't just say "A is B", they demand that you accept this view. You cannot say "A is almost B", you cannot ask "is A 100% B?" you can't even say "let's talk about it!" You either agree to a given viewset 100%, or are labelled as an enemy, hater and whatnot. And we do deal with situations that are nuanced. Not just that, they have real-life implications for the whole society. Jess and Scott Smith are suing Loudoun County because the views that were imposed on them led to a tragedy. It seems as if in a race towards extreme progressivism the common sense has been lost.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
themodelplumber 5y ago
This is making it about Chappelle again, but clearly the issue as related in the news reports is more about a past-due dialog between Netflix and those constituent parts it theoretically values. Chappelle is an example but it doesn't seem to be the whole story, intense in various details though it may be.
crateless 5y ago
While I completely agree with the general sentiment of your comment, I believe that it has not been asserted that the bullying was the main factor for her death. At least as far as what Chappelle said during the show.
dijksterhuis 5y ago
Transcribed some of what Dave said in the special in another comment (didn't see this comment at the time as it took a while!). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28930777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28930777
Mindwipe 5y ago
Chappelle's characterisation of that incident is heavily disputed. There has been a lot of discussion about it. https://twitter.com/LilySimpson1312/status/1448417531430014979 https://twitter.com/LilySimpson1312/status/14484175314300149...

toyg 5y ago

I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool. One thing that has become abundantly clear through history is that even marginalized groups, once empowered, have the potential (and often a vengeful inclination) to make others suffer.

slowmovintarget 5y ago
Yes. Empowerment is mistaken to mean power and authority over others instead of power and control over one's own destiny. When so distorted, such a "community" becomes a dominance hierarchy where the most aggrieved wins. History shows it is never healthy, it merely perfects bullying and viciousness.
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
> I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool. Is there even a "trans community"? As far as I can tell, they try to stick together with the LGB crowd, rather successfully. The groups that are skeptical of T founded their own organizations, but I'd say they're very much a minority. Trans-progressivism is very much main stream, also as far as laws in different countries are concerned.

me_me_me 5y ago

> and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide Thats exactly what Chappelle did not say. He said that the bulling might not caused the suicide, but it sure did not help. I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. He deep cuts all of those fake virtue signalling people who do nothing and sacrifice noting for 'the cause', he walked away from the money of questionable hollywood people he took a stand. Maybe thats what irks those people? Mad world, mad world.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. As a Black person, the most common and tired defense of White racists has always been “Look at this one Black person I treated well, that proves I’m not a racist.” I guess its some kind of progress that that's now a defense against charges of bigotry by Black people as well as against them.
- me_me_me 5y ago
  You are getting downvoted because you are missing the point so profoundly, that is hard to begin why its wrong. The 'I am not racist I have a black friend' is used for a token acquaintance 'prove' you cannot be racist. There were some really deep points made there, my favourite was (I paraphrase) "i dont need you to understand me, I need you to acknowledge my human experience". Just because Chappelle and others are not 100% OK with everything that X movement/group is saying it doesn't mean he and others are anti-X. The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
    > The problem is with people's lack of nuance - the black and white thinking, and not listening/reading actual source of the topic :p when speaking out. This is what makes me sad. When someone says, "A is B", they don't just say "A is B", they demand that you accept this view. You cannot say "A is almost B", you cannot ask "is A 100% B?" you can't even say "let's talk about it!" You either agree to a given viewset 100%, or are labelled as an enemy, hater and whatnot. And we do deal with situations that are nuanced. Not just that, they have real-life implications for the whole society. Jess and Scott Smith are suing Loudoun County because the views that were imposed on them led to a tragedy. It seems as if in a race towards extreme progressivism the common sense has been lost.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago

themodelplumber 5y ago

This is making it about Chappelle again, but clearly the issue as related in the news reports is more about a past-due dialog between Netflix and those constituent parts it theoretically values. Chappelle is an example but it doesn't seem to be the whole story, intense in various details though it may be.

crateless 5y ago

While I completely agree with the general sentiment of your comment, I believe that it has not been asserted that the bullying was the main factor for her death. At least as far as what Chappelle said during the show.

dijksterhuis 5y ago

Transcribed some of what Dave said in the special in another comment (didn't see this comment at the time as it took a while!). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28930777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28930777

Mindwipe 5y ago

Chappelle's characterisation of that incident is heavily disputed. There has been a lot of discussion about it. https://twitter.com/LilySimpson1312/status/1448417531430014979 https://twitter.com/LilySimpson1312/status/14484175314300149...