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Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?

by cassac 5y ago

robbintt 5y ago
> add a content warning Why did you jump to taking things offline?
- cassac 5y ago
  I don’t really think in the end they would accept a scenario where Chapelle would be free to make any content he wants as long as it has a content warning. That was an “at least you should…” not the actual demand. Though we won’t know until they actually present their demands.
falcolas 5y ago
Christians are not an oppressed minority, in any sense of either word. Nor is the CCP. Both of those parties represent real power, both politically and financially, in this world today.
- NikolaeVarius 5y ago
  Thats what you claim. If you talk to many Christians, they 100% believe they are being oppressed and that secularists and Atheists are coming to destroy their faith. Who are you to deny their grievances. As for the CCP, there are plenty that claim that anti-CCP is anti-Chinese racism and has no place on the stage
  - falcolas 5y ago
    > Who are you to deny their grievances. Someone who looks at them and sees that they are the majority religion in the Western world, and have politicians everywhere pushing their talking points and morals on everybody else.
    - NikolaeVarius 5y ago
      Once again, that is what you claim, in the same way that right-wingers point to the fact that we have had a black-president so racism isn't a problem anymore. Why do your claims have more truthiness than theirs?
      - falcolas 5y ago
        Because my claims are falsifiable? Christianity accounts for 2.3 Billion people in the world, the next highest is Islam at 1.9 Billion. Unaffiliated (of which Athiests are only a portion) is only 1.2 Billion worldwide. Thus, Christianity is, by definition, a majority. In one example to prove my second point, politicians in Texas are pushing Christian morality around abortion into laws. This is the opposite of being oppressed.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Thus, Christianity is, by definition, a majority. No, its a plurality, which is a minority that is bigger than any other minority when there is bo majority. OTOH, the popular use of “minority” that is being referenced doesn't mean mathematical minority, it means “historically systematically oppressed group”; it evolved from the language around race in the US, where whites were the majority and minorities (especially blacks) were oppressed on the basis of race, but the key reference is the oppression not the numerical relationship.
    - furgooswft13 5y ago
      Literally every single institutional aspect of the Western World; entertainment, media, education, big business, even the alphabet agencies ... aggressively push LGBTQ/anti-racist grievance theology all day long every day. They never, _ever_ shut up about it (this is why you can't even clone a repo these days without being made aware that BLM exists). The only ones who don't push this constantly are (some) Republican politicians and religious institutions. So spare me. You are not punching up, or "fighting the power". Your religion is the power.
      - 5y ago
  - taylodl 5y ago
    Paranoia != reality. Just because Christians in the West "100% believe" atheists and secularists are coming to destroy their faith doesn't make it true. Meanwhile this "oppressed group" is slowly but surely making theocracy a reality in the United States.
- david38 5y ago
  Christians are most certainly oppressed. It’s totally socially acceptable to mock them, assume all priests are pedophiles, assume they don’t understand science, etc.
- randomsearch 5y ago
  What an incredible statement to assert, so confidently and so very wrong. I am not a Christian, but you are incorrect - Christians are an oppressed minority in plenty places in the world. Persecuted, oppressed, killed. And it’s not a “one off” or an exception, in happens in many countries. A cursory Google will give you many examples.
  - randomsearch 5y ago
    Downvoted, I presume because I didn't give explicit examples; wasn't able to at the time but here's a list of countries where Christians face persecution from a US report: Burma, China, Eritrea, India, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Vietnam. Eritrea: where Christians are tortured, arrested, and imprisoned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Eritrea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Eritrea A country I was surprised not to see on that list is Indonesia, which came to mind immediately. Take the conflict in Maluku, where Christians were forced to convert, or the eviction of the Christian minority from Banda. Example article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55140847 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55140847 Yemen: where Houthis have targeted Christians. Book burning religious texts, burning down churches, etc. https://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/releases-statements/uscirf-releases-new-report-houthi-religious-repression-yemen https://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/releases-statements/uscirf-... You could make a very long list. Just because Christians aren't oppressed in your country does not mean they're not an oppressed minority elsewhere.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  Not many Christians are killed in the west, but in Africa and the middle east large numbers are being murdered. Especially in places like Nigeria by militant muslim groups such as Boko Haram or Fulani. You can find references on google from news reports of mass murders if you like, or read the state department reports. E.g. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/248547/report-17-christians-killed-every-day-in-nigeria-in-first-half-of-2021 https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/248547/report-17-chr... https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-report-on-international-religious-freedom/nigeria/ https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-report-on-international-r...
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Not many Christians are killed in the west, but in Africa and the middle east large numbers are being murdered. Sure, there are places in the world Christians are an oppressed group; all such descriptions are specific to a bounded context.
- CodeGlitch 5y ago
  > Christians are not an oppressed minority In some parts of the world they are. We need to stop taking such a Western-view of the world.

Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?

by cassac 5y ago

Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?

robbintt 5y ago

> add a content warning Why did you jump to taking things offline?

cassac 5y ago
I don’t really think in the end they would accept a scenario where Chapelle would be free to make any content he wants as long as it has a content warning. That was an “at least you should…” not the actual demand. Though we won’t know until they actually present their demands.

falcolas 5y ago

Christians are not an oppressed minority, in any sense of either word. Nor is the CCP. Both of those parties represent real power, both politically and financially, in this world today.

NikolaeVarius 5y ago
Thats what you claim. If you talk to many Christians, they 100% believe they are being oppressed and that secularists and Atheists are coming to destroy their faith. Who are you to deny their grievances. As for the CCP, there are plenty that claim that anti-CCP is anti-Chinese racism and has no place on the stage
- falcolas 5y ago
  > Who are you to deny their grievances. Someone who looks at them and sees that they are the majority religion in the Western world, and have politicians everywhere pushing their talking points and morals on everybody else.
  - NikolaeVarius 5y ago
    Once again, that is what you claim, in the same way that right-wingers point to the fact that we have had a black-president so racism isn't a problem anymore. Why do your claims have more truthiness than theirs?
    - falcolas 5y ago
      Because my claims are falsifiable? Christianity accounts for 2.3 Billion people in the world, the next highest is Islam at 1.9 Billion. Unaffiliated (of which Athiests are only a portion) is only 1.2 Billion worldwide. Thus, Christianity is, by definition, a majority. In one example to prove my second point, politicians in Texas are pushing Christian morality around abortion into laws. This is the opposite of being oppressed.
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Thus, Christianity is, by definition, a majority. No, its a plurality, which is a minority that is bigger than any other minority when there is bo majority. OTOH, the popular use of “minority” that is being referenced doesn't mean mathematical minority, it means “historically systematically oppressed group”; it evolved from the language around race in the US, where whites were the majority and minorities (especially blacks) were oppressed on the basis of race, but the key reference is the oppression not the numerical relationship.
  - furgooswft13 5y ago
    Literally every single institutional aspect of the Western World; entertainment, media, education, big business, even the alphabet agencies ... aggressively push LGBTQ/anti-racist grievance theology all day long every day. They never, _ever_ shut up about it (this is why you can't even clone a repo these days without being made aware that BLM exists). The only ones who don't push this constantly are (some) Republican politicians and religious institutions. So spare me. You are not punching up, or "fighting the power". Your religion is the power.
    - 5y ago
- taylodl 5y ago
  Paranoia != reality. Just because Christians in the West "100% believe" atheists and secularists are coming to destroy their faith doesn't make it true. Meanwhile this "oppressed group" is slowly but surely making theocracy a reality in the United States.
david38 5y ago
Christians are most certainly oppressed. It’s totally socially acceptable to mock them, assume all priests are pedophiles, assume they don’t understand science, etc.
randomsearch 5y ago
What an incredible statement to assert, so confidently and so very wrong. I am not a Christian, but you are incorrect - Christians are an oppressed minority in plenty places in the world. Persecuted, oppressed, killed. And it’s not a “one off” or an exception, in happens in many countries. A cursory Google will give you many examples.
- randomsearch 5y ago
  Downvoted, I presume because I didn't give explicit examples; wasn't able to at the time but here's a list of countries where Christians face persecution from a US report: Burma, China, Eritrea, India, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Vietnam. Eritrea: where Christians are tortured, arrested, and imprisoned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Eritrea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Eritrea A country I was surprised not to see on that list is Indonesia, which came to mind immediately. Take the conflict in Maluku, where Christians were forced to convert, or the eviction of the Christian minority from Banda. Example article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55140847 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55140847 Yemen: where Houthis have targeted Christians. Book burning religious texts, burning down churches, etc. https://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/releases-statements/uscirf-releases-new-report-houthi-religious-repression-yemen https://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/releases-statements/uscirf-... You could make a very long list. Just because Christians aren't oppressed in your country does not mean they're not an oppressed minority elsewhere.
rsj_hn 5y ago
Not many Christians are killed in the west, but in Africa and the middle east large numbers are being murdered. Especially in places like Nigeria by militant muslim groups such as Boko Haram or Fulani. You can find references on google from news reports of mass murders if you like, or read the state department reports. E.g. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/248547/report-17-christians-killed-every-day-in-nigeria-in-first-half-of-2021 https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/248547/report-17-chr... https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-report-on-international-religious-freedom/nigeria/ https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-report-on-international-r...
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Not many Christians are killed in the west, but in Africa and the middle east large numbers are being murdered. Sure, there are places in the world Christians are an oppressed group; all such descriptions are specific to a bounded context.
CodeGlitch 5y ago
> Christians are not an oppressed minority In some parts of the world they are. We need to stop taking such a Western-view of the world.