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Amazing how even raising this as a question gets you downvoted. Yes, I’m sure it’s a factor, and needlessly so considering the vaccine seems to have a negligib

Amazing how even raising this as a question gets you downvoted. Yes, I’m sure it’s a factor, and needlessly so considering the vaccine seems to have a negligible effect on transmission. Prepared for my own downvotes after sharing some particularly uncomfortable truths.

blacktriangle 5y ago
I love how you both acknowledge that health care workers quitting over forced vaccination is an issue while immediately dismissing their actual experience of having worked through both pre and post vaccine covid world and first hand seeing the impact of mass vacination. If enough health care workers are willing to walk away from their jobs rather than take a vaccine, maybe you should take their observations seriously?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > If enough health care workers are willing to walk away from their jobs rather than take a vaccine, maybe you should take their observations seriously? If you value their opinions in that way, you should get the vaccine. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19 https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-sur... "The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated."
ceejayoz 5y ago
> Amazing how even raising this as a question gets you downvoted. That's because it's readily debunked. Nurses largely can't evade the vaccine mandates by moving; virtually all healthcare facilities are subject to the Federal vaccine mandate. > Yes, I’m sure it’s a factor, and needlessly so considering the vaccine seems to have a negligible effect on transmission. That doesn't seem to be true. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people... "Both vaccines reduced transmission, although they were more effective against the alpha variant compared to the delta variant. When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated."
- vondur 5y ago
  There are plenty of articles from healthcare CEOs complaining about forcing the vaccine mandate. The loss of just a few percent of nursing staff can cause crippling staffing issues.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Sure, why blame yourself when you can blame someone else? It’s a gift for cost-cutting hospital admins who’ve been running understaffed facilities for years. The ERs in my city have been code red half the time for the last decade.
- clarge1120 5y ago
  That's not why the question is downvoted. One can ask a question without the Achewallie crew dropping in with a wall of words.
pc86 5y ago
The vaccine does reduce transmissibility. From the CDC: "Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed."[0] and Delta is more transmissible than "regular" COVID for the vaccinated (and I think in general). But the primary benefit of the vaccine is to reduce the burden on the healthcare system. The vast majority (mid-to-high-90%s) of hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated. It stands to reason that the more people running around without being vaccinated, the more people will get hospitalized. At a certain point, death is just a percentage of hospitalization, especially as you have places without beds that have to just turn people away. So fewer vaccines directly correlates to more deaths. Speaking personally now, I don't care if people don't want to get vaccinated. I think it's idiotic, the vaccine is FDA approved now, hundreds of millions of people have gotten it and side effects are as rare or rarer than any other vaccine. But if you work with the public, especially in public health, schools, etc., there is a list of required vaccinations multiple pages long. Adding one more to the list isn't an encroachment on anyone's civil liberties, and you're free to move elsewhere, but that's not what's happening here. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...
mehphp 5y ago
I'm not downvoting you, just pointing out that transmission isn't the only reason to be vaccinated in a hospital setting. Hospital systems are already overwhelmed, so having vaccinated staff reduces the amount of staff that have to miss shifts because they are dealing with covid symptoms. Vaccines reduce symptoms, death and hospitalizations from covid complications. It's amazing to me that we have hospital staff that would rather listen to the Joe Rogans of the world than to the science they supposedly learned about in college.
clarge1120 5y ago
Not only will your comment be downvoted, it will be relentlessly questioned for veracity, as if asking a question required verifiable links from approved sources.

blacktriangle 5y ago

I love how you both acknowledge that health care workers quitting over forced vaccination is an issue while immediately dismissing their actual experience of having worked through both pre and post vaccine covid world and first hand seeing the impact of mass vacination. If enough health care workers are willing to walk away from their jobs rather than take a vaccine, maybe you should take their observations seriously?

ceejayoz 5y ago
> If enough health care workers are willing to walk away from their jobs rather than take a vaccine, maybe you should take their observations seriously? If you value their opinions in that way, you should get the vaccine. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19 https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-sur... "The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated."

ceejayoz 5y ago

> Amazing how even raising this as a question gets you downvoted. That's because it's readily debunked. Nurses largely can't evade the vaccine mandates by moving; virtually all healthcare facilities are subject to the Federal vaccine mandate. > Yes, I’m sure it’s a factor, and needlessly so considering the vaccine seems to have a negligible effect on transmission. That doesn't seem to be true. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people... "Both vaccines reduced transmission, although they were more effective against the alpha variant compared to the delta variant. When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated."

vondur 5y ago
There are plenty of articles from healthcare CEOs complaining about forcing the vaccine mandate. The loss of just a few percent of nursing staff can cause crippling staffing issues.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Sure, why blame yourself when you can blame someone else? It’s a gift for cost-cutting hospital admins who’ve been running understaffed facilities for years. The ERs in my city have been code red half the time for the last decade.
clarge1120 5y ago
That's not why the question is downvoted. One can ask a question without the Achewallie crew dropping in with a wall of words.

pc86 5y ago

The vaccine does reduce transmissibility. From the CDC: "Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed."[0] and Delta is more transmissible than "regular" COVID for the vaccinated (and I think in general). But the primary benefit of the vaccine is to reduce the burden on the healthcare system. The vast majority (mid-to-high-90%s) of hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated. It stands to reason that the more people running around without being vaccinated, the more people will get hospitalized. At a certain point, death is just a percentage of hospitalization, especially as you have places without beds that have to just turn people away. So fewer vaccines directly correlates to more deaths. Speaking personally now, I don't care if people don't want to get vaccinated. I think it's idiotic, the vaccine is FDA approved now, hundreds of millions of people have gotten it and side effects are as rare or rarer than any other vaccine. But if you work with the public, especially in public health, schools, etc., there is a list of required vaccinations multiple pages long. Adding one more to the list isn't an encroachment on anyone's civil liberties, and you're free to move elsewhere, but that's not what's happening here. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

mehphp 5y ago

I'm not downvoting you, just pointing out that transmission isn't the only reason to be vaccinated in a hospital setting. Hospital systems are already overwhelmed, so having vaccinated staff reduces the amount of staff that have to miss shifts because they are dealing with covid symptoms. Vaccines reduce symptoms, death and hospitalizations from covid complications. It's amazing to me that we have hospital staff that would rather listen to the Joe Rogans of the world than to the science they supposedly learned about in college.

clarge1120 5y ago

Not only will your comment be downvoted, it will be relentlessly questioned for veracity, as if asking a question required verifiable links from approved sources.