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Many things are upsetting to many people. I don't think it's viable to always bow to demands of your most strident members. Chapelle is a dissenter, I think h

• themodelplumber 5y ago
  Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the safety and dignity of all marginalized communities." > Transgender Netflix employee Terra Field has called on the streamer to add a content warning to "The Closer," and to promote more "queer and trans comedians and talent." There is a lot of hurt and painful experience inside these messages to Netflix. The demands don't exactly seem extraordinary in that context either.
  • cassac 5y ago
    Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?
    • robbintt 5y ago
      > add a content warning Why did you jump to taking things offline?
      • cassac 5y ago
        I don’t really think in the end they would accept a scenario where Chapelle would be free to make any content he wants as long as it has a content warning. That was an “at least you should…” not the actual demand. Though we won’t know until they actually present their demands.
    • falcolas 5y ago
      Christians are not an oppressed minority, in any sense of either word. Nor is the CCP. Both of those parties represent real power, both politically and financially, in this world today.
      • NikolaeVarius 5y ago
        Thats what you claim. If you talk to many Christians, they 100% believe they are being oppressed and that secularists and Atheists are coming to destroy their faith. Who are you to deny their grievances. As for the CCP, there are plenty that claim that anti-CCP is anti-Chinese racism and has no place on the stage
        • falcolas 5y ago
          > Who are you to deny their grievances. Someone who looks at them and sees that they are the majority religion in the Western world, and have politicians everywhere pushing their talking points and morals on everybody else.
          • NikolaeVarius 5y ago
            Once again, that is what you claim, in the same way that right-wingers point to the fact that we have had a black-president so racism isn't a problem anymore. Why do your claims have more truthiness than theirs?
            • falcolas 5y ago
              Because my claims are falsifiable? Christianity accounts for 2.3 Billion people in the world, the next highest is Islam at 1.9 Billion. Unaffiliated (of which Athiests are only a portion) is only 1.2 Billion worldwide. Thus, Christianity is, by definition, a majority. In one example to prove my second point, politicians in Texas are pushing Christian morality around abortion into laws. This is the opposite of being oppressed.
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  • JohnWhigham 5y ago
    I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!
    • toyg 5y ago
      I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool. One thing that has become abundantly clear through history is that even marginalized groups, once empowered, have the potential (and often a vengeful inclination) to make others suffer.
      • slowmovintarget 5y ago
        Yes. Empowerment is mistaken to mean power and authority over others instead of power and control over one's own destiny. When so distorted, such a "community" becomes a dominance hierarchy where the most aggrieved wins. History shows it is never healthy, it merely perfects bullying and viciousness.
      • hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
        > I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool. Is there even a "trans community"? As far as I can tell, they try to stick together with the LGB crowd, rather successfully. The groups that are skeptical of T founded their own organizations, but I'd say they're very much a minority. Trans-progressivism is very much main stream, also as far as laws in different countries are concerned.
    • me_me_me 5y ago
      > and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide Thats exactly what Chappelle did not say. He said that the bulling might not caused the suicide, but it sure did not help. I find it baffling that he developed a quite deep relationship with her - a transgender person - gave her a golden ticket (frontrunning for of the biggest comedians) as a token of appreciation and he gets called out as anti trans person. He deep cuts all of those fake virtue signalling people who do nothing and sacrifice noting for 'the cause', he walked away from the money of questionable hollywood people he took a stand. Maybe thats what irks those people? Mad world, mad world.
• zahma 5y ago
  You make good points. It is also notable that he made fun of just about everyone in that special — from blacks, to whites, to Jews — just to a lesser extent. And I think he did that on purpose. Nobody and nothing is off limits. We all can find relief and humility in comedy. It’s often the case that minorities wear parts of an identity so as to show some kind of immutable and unique right against prejudice. But the sooner we realize that our differences are opportunities to unite against intolerance and bigotry, the sooner we can stop drawing lines in the same about whose experience is more painful or inequitable than another’s. I’ve heard rabbis deliver sermons on slavery drawing parallels between the plight of Jews to the African slave trade. The point isn’t that Jews get to say “oh I was enslaved too so whatever.” Rather, it’s an opportunity to say, “Hell yeah, I recognize oppression, and let’s right those wrongs together.” Not one community and not LGBTQ+ gets to be the sole victim. Nobody gets to dominate the outrage scene on Twitter. Coalition building and tolerance require humility, and pretending like one’s group has a greater need for equality or accommodation defeats the point.
• craig1f 5y ago
  Most things like this are organized by bad-faith actors that know that his skit wasn't hateful. The powers-that-be have learned how to create viral movements. They know how to get would-be-activists spun up until their brains turn off. These are the left-wing equivalent of Trump-supporters. People got up in arms about his last stand up. It was not offensive at all. But you couldn't say that, because the people had already made up their minds. Corporations know how to get people spun up, and they're doing it with Chapelle again. They want to cancel him, because he is dangerous to the right wing, because he is charismatic and articulate. He can get points across clearly. If he became the new Jon Stewart, he could siphon a lot of control away from the right. They need to neutralize him before he decides to go political.
  • holytoledo 5y ago
    Based and blackpilled.
• silicon2401 5y ago
  > I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questioned certain things. This line of thought is rejected by modern radicals. To question is tantamount to outright hating. Watching Chapelle's special was, for me, a marvelous breath of fresh air and I hope people like him can somehow manage to continue making a living despite not observing radical dogma.
  • holytoledo 5y ago
    They’ll end up carving out a category of “black people who are white inside” and start putting him and others in this bucket, and slander the bucket as much as possible while running back to their own blackness or whatever. The Jews use a similar tactic whenever they want to slander whites but still carry an air of “otherness” and claim they’re Jewish. It’s trite, but that’s the game these people play.
• falcolas 5y ago
  As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences. The disparagement is a direct consequence of his speech. He is no more free from that consequence than your or I would be in similar circumstances.
  • throwaway210222 5y ago
    > As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences. The problem with such a trite comment is that is is just as true in North Korea. You are complete Free™ to say what you like about Supreme Leader Grand Marshal Kim Jong-un, but you know - there might be consequences.
    • HelloMcFly 5y ago
      There's quite a bit of difference between government-imposed consequences and social consequences. Otherwise in a sense we're all "free" to murder and steal, everywhere, in every country.
      • NikolaeVarius 5y ago
        Struggle Sessions were a social consequence of being part of the "bad guys", a way to use society to stamp out "bad thoughts"
      • mc32 5y ago
        Scarlet letters, ostracism, outcasting, etc., those are the civilian analogues and are just as palatable as the governmental version.
    • codyswann 5y ago
      Not true. Freedom of speech in the US prevents the US government for levying consequences against you for what you said. This is not the case in North Koreas
      • throwaway210222 5y ago
• tmaly 5y ago
  I watch the special, it definitely was not hateful. The end was not as funny as I expected. I don't recall staff walking out over the Cuties movie. That definitely was pushing the line.