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You can reduce your electricity demand and then buy the remaining electricity from 'true green' providers. Don't have to wait for the politicians.

oblio 5y ago
That's nice, but the unfortunate thing is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc It's a Kurzgesagt video about why individual action is far from enough, and why we need systemic action. Do your part, but also pressure politicians, because that's where the main pain point is.
- jsilence 5y ago
  Well yes, do both, do your thing and pressure politicians. still no need to wait for the politicians. I just loath people putting the blame on politicians, China, capitalism or some sort of world cabal just to have a rationale to continue their own unsustainable style of living.
NineStarPoint 5y ago
Shifting to only buying green electricity only actually works if so many people and businesses move to the green energy providers that there becomes more supply of carbon-based energy than there is demand. All that a marginal level of people making the request does is shift what production goes where, and not the overall level of demand for electricity in the grid. And since very few businesses are willing to make this type of change, and businesses consume a greater portion of electricity than direct consumer use, personally switching to “true green” has very little effect on the situation unless it becomes a mass cultural movement to do so. Which doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it, it can only become a movement if enough people put their money where their mouth is and make the switch. But the current situation appears such that, without politicians intervening, there will not be enough entities willing to make such a switch to have an effect on the overall grid. (And therefore without politician intervention, our only real hope is non-carbon based energy becoming so cost effective that it displaces almost all carbon based energy use)

oblio 5y ago

That's nice, but the unfortunate thing is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc It's a Kurzgesagt video about why individual action is far from enough, and why we need systemic action. Do your part, but also pressure politicians, because that's where the main pain point is.

jsilence 5y ago
Well yes, do both, do your thing and pressure politicians. still no need to wait for the politicians. I just loath people putting the blame on politicians, China, capitalism or some sort of world cabal just to have a rationale to continue their own unsustainable style of living.

NineStarPoint 5y ago

Shifting to only buying green electricity only actually works if so many people and businesses move to the green energy providers that there becomes more supply of carbon-based energy than there is demand. All that a marginal level of people making the request does is shift what production goes where, and not the overall level of demand for electricity in the grid. And since very few businesses are willing to make this type of change, and businesses consume a greater portion of electricity than direct consumer use, personally switching to “true green” has very little effect on the situation unless it becomes a mass cultural movement to do so. Which doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it, it can only become a movement if enough people put their money where their mouth is and make the switch. But the current situation appears such that, without politicians intervening, there will not be enough entities willing to make such a switch to have an effect on the overall grid. (And therefore without politician intervention, our only real hope is non-carbon based energy becoming so cost effective that it displaces almost all carbon based energy use)