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How does someone die of overworking? At what point does one decide "fuck my health, I'll die for BigCorp"? And, where I'm going: a company will always ask as mu

by vadfa 5y ago

How does someone die of overworking? At what point does one decide "fuck my health, I'll die for BigCorp"? And, where I'm going: a company will always ask as much work as possible from as few employees at possible. Up to what point is this the personal responsibility of the employee?

martin_a 5y ago
How much would you be willing to work if you'd have to pay rent, credits, take care that your wife and children get enough to eat? Also there's some bills because your wifes' car broke down and needed repair, the children need new clothes and there's this school trip coming up and also the roof is leaky and needs to be fixed which you can't do by yourself. Long term short: While it's easy to judge from the outside, people will put their health in second place a lot of times if there are other problems.
- hirako2000 5y ago
  I think his point is that employees better take care of themselves than trusting a for profit organisation to do the equal job. It isn't only with Amazon, there are plenty of managers who will cut corners or leave aside common sense with regards to the safety of their team members. Company policies can put safe guards in place, but in the end it doesn't take a genius to go around them. The obsession with amazon is likely due to the fact it's a very profitable company, in the end, profit or not, employees should take care of their well being, most places I worked had a few individuals who would destroy themselves , just with overwork. We can blame the authorities, or take our responsibilities. The bills and debt arguments, put that on society as a whole for having so many people in precarious situations.
- gambiting 5y ago
  Also - in Poland Amazon warehouses are known for paying well above the average in the areas they are in, with good benefits. Every single article about them in Polish press usually points this out - yeah you're working for a megacorp, but that megacorp consistently pays more than any other employer in the area for unskilled work.
- wruza 5y ago
  But if you continue, you’re dead or get a bad health/psycho condition. I think that 1) people should not start what they cannot afford in some reasonable term (including cars, family, kids, etc; i.e. living on the edge), 2) societies should stop to welcome this life style on all levels. I have many examples around when people started their “life” thinking that it all will sort out later. It never did. This all stems from the social hypocrisy about what you can or cannot do. We are living in cities, not in the woods, and sometimes we cannot use our basic rights without strings attached. Yes, start your family, rent a house, buy a car, go for it. And smile yes-sir to the smirking sociopath who wipes his dirt on you because you’re on his hook and there is no turning back. It’s like an enslaving conspiracy, but on a “nod to each other” level. people will put their health in second place a lot of times if there are other problem Only because there is no other way to live their life. They may not live it, or may live it like that. There is usually no third option for the masses, except for a few exceptions.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    >There is usually no third option for the masses, except for a few exceptions. This is why we need UBI, so no person has to work a job they don't enjoy.
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
In general, it works like this: you notice a company is fucked up, and you leave. In theory, you could go to a competitor who offers better work conditions. You don't go working in an Amazon warehouse if you have other options in life. It's for people who lost hope, in a way. According to the article, the family was very poor and the wife feels guilty he died trying to provide for her meds.
skocznymroczny 5y ago
In Poland, there is a strong mentality of overworking yourself, especially when it comes to physical work. Sometimes colloquially referred to as "kultura zapierdolu". Basically, especially for older generations, if you don't come home from work exhausted you didn't work hard enough. And if you didn't work hard enough, you don't deserve to get paid.
praptak 5y ago
I guess the mechanisms are similar for abusive companies, abusive relationships and abusive cults. Predators select vulnerable people and gradually accustom them to worse and worse conditions.

by vadfa 5y ago

martin_a 5y ago

How much would you be willing to work if you'd have to pay rent, credits, take care that your wife and children get enough to eat? Also there's some bills because your wifes' car broke down and needed repair, the children need new clothes and there's this school trip coming up and also the roof is leaky and needs to be fixed which you can't do by yourself. Long term short: While it's easy to judge from the outside, people will put their health in second place a lot of times if there are other problems.

hirako2000 5y ago
I think his point is that employees better take care of themselves than trusting a for profit organisation to do the equal job. It isn't only with Amazon, there are plenty of managers who will cut corners or leave aside common sense with regards to the safety of their team members. Company policies can put safe guards in place, but in the end it doesn't take a genius to go around them. The obsession with amazon is likely due to the fact it's a very profitable company, in the end, profit or not, employees should take care of their well being, most places I worked had a few individuals who would destroy themselves , just with overwork. We can blame the authorities, or take our responsibilities. The bills and debt arguments, put that on society as a whole for having so many people in precarious situations.
gambiting 5y ago
Also - in Poland Amazon warehouses are known for paying well above the average in the areas they are in, with good benefits. Every single article about them in Polish press usually points this out - yeah you're working for a megacorp, but that megacorp consistently pays more than any other employer in the area for unskilled work.
wruza 5y ago
But if you continue, you’re dead or get a bad health/psycho condition. I think that 1) people should not start what they cannot afford in some reasonable term (including cars, family, kids, etc; i.e. living on the edge), 2) societies should stop to welcome this life style on all levels. I have many examples around when people started their “life” thinking that it all will sort out later. It never did. This all stems from the social hypocrisy about what you can or cannot do. We are living in cities, not in the woods, and sometimes we cannot use our basic rights without strings attached. Yes, start your family, rent a house, buy a car, go for it. And smile yes-sir to the smirking sociopath who wipes his dirt on you because you’re on his hook and there is no turning back. It’s like an enslaving conspiracy, but on a “nod to each other” level. people will put their health in second place a lot of times if there are other problem Only because there is no other way to live their life. They may not live it, or may live it like that. There is usually no third option for the masses, except for a few exceptions.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  >There is usually no third option for the masses, except for a few exceptions. This is why we need UBI, so no person has to work a job they don't enjoy.

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago

In general, it works like this: you notice a company is fucked up, and you leave. In theory, you could go to a competitor who offers better work conditions. You don't go working in an Amazon warehouse if you have other options in life. It's for people who lost hope, in a way. According to the article, the family was very poor and the wife feels guilty he died trying to provide for her meds.

skocznymroczny 5y ago

In Poland, there is a strong mentality of overworking yourself, especially when it comes to physical work. Sometimes colloquially referred to as "kultura zapierdolu". Basically, especially for older generations, if you don't come home from work exhausted you didn't work hard enough. And if you didn't work hard enough, you don't deserve to get paid.

praptak 5y ago

I guess the mechanisms are similar for abusive companies, abusive relationships and abusive cults. Predators select vulnerable people and gradually accustom them to worse and worse conditions.