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It does sound horrible, especially when you (clearly didn't) read that the entire incident was likely avoidable had his line manager taken his visible symptoms

by weego 5y ago

It does sound horrible, especially when you (clearly didn't) read that the entire incident was likely avoidable had his line manager taken his visible symptoms seriously and not told him to continue the manual labour until it was too late. Your desensitised hot take of 'well this stuff just happens' is appalling in a number of ways and is exactly the attitude that trickles down through businesses when it's someone else that's stuck at the thin edge of the wedge.

_3u10 5y ago
It's not, his manager isn't a doctor. I've never asked to take a sick day / leave early for medical reasons, you just take one.
- louis___ 5y ago
  As you're speaking from your own experience, have you already worked in an Amazon warehouse ?
  - emteycz 5y ago
    People in Czechia say Amazon offers the best wage and working conditions of all other warehouse businesses. I imagine it's similar in Poland.
    - jdc 5y ago
      Name five.
      - emteycz 5y ago
        I am not a warehouse worker.
        jdc 5y ago
        I mean who is saying this?
        emteycz 5y ago
        The society here is not too divided. It's normal to meet, talk and drink beer with people of other occupations. Every time someone at a bar tells me they work at a warehouse, they will soon be raving about how much better things are thanks to Amazon. You can overhear these conversations at bus stops, at the doctor, etc.
        jdc 5y ago
        I'd like to visit that part of the world some day.
    - Ginden 5y ago
      > People in Czechia say Amazon offers the best wage and working conditions of all other warehouse businesses. I imagine it's similar in Poland. I heard similar opinions about Amazon warehouses in Poland, but it's anecdotal evidence and shouldn't be used instead of statistics.
      - emteycz 5y ago
        Yeah, real statistics must be made. However this opinion is so universal and frequently voiced by the workers that not sharing it would be just as wrong as relying purely on anecdata.
  - _3u10 5y ago
    I haven't worked in one owned by Amazon, but I've worked in a warehouse. As far as I know most of them are about 50C warmer than the ones I worked in, as far as I know, there's no 80kg amazon packages frozen at -25C so I'd say they have it pretty easy. That warehouse certainly didn't have robots to bring us our packages for scanning by laser gun either.
    - rootlocus 5y ago
      > so I'd say they have it pretty easy. Did any of your colleagues die of overworking?
      - _3u10 5y ago
        When I was there the only death was at another warehouse, dude ended up with a fork lift fork through his chest. Friend of the family mopped of a colleague after a barrel of acid dropped from the top rack and split at the top of the forklift cab.
- rootlocus 5y ago
  > I've never asked to take a sick day / leave early for medical reasons, you just take one. It's naive to think your priviledged situation applies to everyone, especially to amazon warehouse workers.
  - shukantpal 5y ago
    Same for the other way around
- mikub 5y ago
  Exactly this. I had so many colleagues that were always complaining to me about how they think our boss treated them unfair, and I always said "Don't tell me, just talk to the boss." There were two different managers who thought they need to scream at me, and both times I waited until they were finished screaming, and I just told them that if they would ever scream at me again I just turn around and go home immediately. They never screamed at me again but were continuing to treat some of my colleagues like shit and were still screaming at them for trivial reasons. People just need to understand that they need to stand up for themselves, and stop complaining to your colleagues or friends on how unfair life is, and that soon you will quit your job, this time for sure. :)
  - _3u10 5y ago
    Yup. I got the you never come in on time talk after 5 years of not coming in on time and mentioning that it’s not my jam during the interview. Was told I’d be fired if I didn’t fix it. 2 weeks later after not coming in on time I handed in my notice, got yelled at. They asked for more notice, gave it to them, last day, they said it was alright to not come in on time.
Ginden 5y ago
> It does sound horrible, especially when you (clearly didn't) read that the entire incident was likely avoidable had his line manager taken his visible symptoms seriously and not told him to continue the manual labour until it was too late. I can't see that in article (and I'm native Polish speaker). Article says that man told manager about his symptoms and manager instantly walked with him to paramedical team, instead of calling them. People in article say that it was "culpable mistake". Yes, it was a mistake, but it's unlikely that it resulted in death of that man.

by weego 5y ago

_3u10 5y ago

It's not, his manager isn't a doctor. I've never asked to take a sick day / leave early for medical reasons, you just take one.

louis___ 5y ago
As you're speaking from your own experience, have you already worked in an Amazon warehouse ?
- emteycz 5y ago
  People in Czechia say Amazon offers the best wage and working conditions of all other warehouse businesses. I imagine it's similar in Poland.
  - jdc 5y ago
    Name five.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      I am not a warehouse worker.
      - jdc 5y ago
        I mean who is saying this?
        emteycz 5y ago
        The society here is not too divided. It's normal to meet, talk and drink beer with people of other occupations. Every time someone at a bar tells me they work at a warehouse, they will soon be raving about how much better things are thanks to Amazon. You can overhear these conversations at bus stops, at the doctor, etc.
        jdc 5y ago
        I'd like to visit that part of the world some day.
  - Ginden 5y ago
    > People in Czechia say Amazon offers the best wage and working conditions of all other warehouse businesses. I imagine it's similar in Poland. I heard similar opinions about Amazon warehouses in Poland, but it's anecdotal evidence and shouldn't be used instead of statistics.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      Yeah, real statistics must be made. However this opinion is so universal and frequently voiced by the workers that not sharing it would be just as wrong as relying purely on anecdata.
- _3u10 5y ago
  I haven't worked in one owned by Amazon, but I've worked in a warehouse. As far as I know most of them are about 50C warmer than the ones I worked in, as far as I know, there's no 80kg amazon packages frozen at -25C so I'd say they have it pretty easy. That warehouse certainly didn't have robots to bring us our packages for scanning by laser gun either.
  - rootlocus 5y ago
    > so I'd say they have it pretty easy. Did any of your colleagues die of overworking?
    - _3u10 5y ago
      When I was there the only death was at another warehouse, dude ended up with a fork lift fork through his chest. Friend of the family mopped of a colleague after a barrel of acid dropped from the top rack and split at the top of the forklift cab.
rootlocus 5y ago
> I've never asked to take a sick day / leave early for medical reasons, you just take one. It's naive to think your priviledged situation applies to everyone, especially to amazon warehouse workers.
- shukantpal 5y ago
  Same for the other way around
mikub 5y ago
Exactly this. I had so many colleagues that were always complaining to me about how they think our boss treated them unfair, and I always said "Don't tell me, just talk to the boss." There were two different managers who thought they need to scream at me, and both times I waited until they were finished screaming, and I just told them that if they would ever scream at me again I just turn around and go home immediately. They never screamed at me again but were continuing to treat some of my colleagues like shit and were still screaming at them for trivial reasons. People just need to understand that they need to stand up for themselves, and stop complaining to your colleagues or friends on how unfair life is, and that soon you will quit your job, this time for sure. :)
- _3u10 5y ago
  Yup. I got the you never come in on time talk after 5 years of not coming in on time and mentioning that it’s not my jam during the interview. Was told I’d be fired if I didn’t fix it. 2 weeks later after not coming in on time I handed in my notice, got yelled at. They asked for more notice, gave it to them, last day, they said it was alright to not come in on time.

Ginden 5y ago

> It does sound horrible, especially when you (clearly didn't) read that the entire incident was likely avoidable had his line manager taken his visible symptoms seriously and not told him to continue the manual labour until it was too late. I can't see that in article (and I'm native Polish speaker). Article says that man told manager about his symptoms and manager instantly walked with him to paramedical team, instead of calling them. People in article say that it was "culpable mistake". Yes, it was a mistake, but it's unlikely that it resulted in death of that man.