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I really dislike this comparison. I see it everywhere in privacy communities and I think it should die. That comparison doesn't give anything to the other perso

I really dislike this comparison. I see it everywhere in privacy communities and I think it should die. That comparison doesn't give anything to the other person. Amazon provides a service whilst violating privacy. The person gets something out from having their privacy violated. Hence the reply "it improves my search results". Your comparison would mean they have their privacy violated, they lose access to their phone for a day, and they get nothing to compensate. Change the comparison to give me your phone for a day and I'll give you £1000 and suddenly you'll get far more different answers.

baal80spam 5y ago
> That comparison doesn't give anything to the other person Hm, you are correct - I haven't looked at it in this way. I guess it's time for another round of questions around my family and workplace!
Keyframe 5y ago
Give me access to your phone and your email for a couple of days - it will improve our conversations, so many topics suddenly! Effectively this is what search and advertising does - probes on the intimate side of things and exposes them via tuned search or as ad themes.
abdullahkhalids 5y ago
You can just change to the the following experiment: You walk into your local grocery store. A store employee, stops you at the door and asks, 'If you hand over your phone for a second, I will quickly copy over its contents onto my computer. Then, while you shop, I will read through your recent your messages, your emails, your browsing history. Based on that, I will recommend a product or two I think you will find useful. Do we have a deal?' I don't think many people would actually go through with this (rather than just say they would), if we actually did this experiment. Remember, someone got beaten up for wearing google glasses in public and not taking them off when requested. Humans are really bad at thinking in the abstract, but when things are there in the flesh, is when real preferences are revealed.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  Actually, it sounds awesome, provided they recommend a great product I would not otherwise notice, don't spend too much time copying, etc. Not sure what your problem is with that offer.
Mordisquitos 5y ago
> Change the comparison to give me your phone for a day and I'll give you £1000 and suddenly you'll get far more different answers. That may be a better comparison, but with one caveat. If you offer the money in exchange for the phone's data now, the user will balance out the privacy value of what they intuitively believe is on their phone at this very moment. Instead, the offer should be "I'll give you £1000 now in exchange for the right to access all of your phone's data for a day at the time of my choosing, and without you knowing it beforehand or after the fact".

baal80spam 5y ago

> That comparison doesn't give anything to the other person Hm, you are correct - I haven't looked at it in this way. I guess it's time for another round of questions around my family and workplace!

Keyframe 5y ago

Give me access to your phone and your email for a couple of days - it will improve our conversations, so many topics suddenly! Effectively this is what search and advertising does - probes on the intimate side of things and exposes them via tuned search or as ad themes.

abdullahkhalids 5y ago

You can just change to the the following experiment: You walk into your local grocery store. A store employee, stops you at the door and asks, 'If you hand over your phone for a second, I will quickly copy over its contents onto my computer. Then, while you shop, I will read through your recent your messages, your emails, your browsing history. Based on that, I will recommend a product or two I think you will find useful. Do we have a deal?' I don't think many people would actually go through with this (rather than just say they would), if we actually did this experiment. Remember, someone got beaten up for wearing google glasses in public and not taking them off when requested. Humans are really bad at thinking in the abstract, but when things are there in the flesh, is when real preferences are revealed.

lostmsu 5y ago
Actually, it sounds awesome, provided they recommend a great product I would not otherwise notice, don't spend too much time copying, etc. Not sure what your problem is with that offer.

Mordisquitos 5y ago

> Change the comparison to give me your phone for a day and I'll give you £1000 and suddenly you'll get far more different answers. That may be a better comparison, but with one caveat. If you offer the money in exchange for the phone's data now, the user will balance out the privacy value of what they intuitively believe is on their phone at this very moment. Instead, the offer should be "I'll give you £1000 now in exchange for the right to access all of your phone's data for a day at the time of my choosing, and without you knowing it beforehand or after the fact".