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Well, at the risk of sounding like a coward, I would toe the party line also if I lived in China and had any public presence. The price of publicly opposing Xi

Well, at the risk of sounding like a coward, I would toe the party line also if I lived in China and had any public presence. The price of publicly opposing Xi Jinping's policies is disappearing for a year or so then making a scripted subdued apology on CCTV.

esarbe 5y ago
Coward here, too. The perfidious thing is that even emigrating doesn't put you out of Xi Jinping's grasp. It's well documented how pressure is applied to vocal opponents of the new Leaders policies by going after their families in China.
- EdwardDiego 5y ago
  Yep, happens in New Zealand on the regular. It's well known that all the local Chinese language newspapers toe the party line, and Chinese community groups (especially Skykiwi) are infiltrated by the CCP to a rather large extent, and if you're overly critical, well, hopefully you managed to get residence visas for 奶奶 / nǎi nai and 姥姥 / lǎo lao beforehand. Also, expect to be ostracised by the emigrant Chinese community. Oh, and even if you're not Chinese, but you're critical of China, well... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-curious-case-of-the-burgled-professor/LIFRYA3UBZNGCZPT45NB77KCY4/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-curious-case-of-the-burgle...
  - Borrible 5y ago
    Didn't heard of any widespread anti-chinese progroms in Germany in early pandemic times, but I know a lot about German servility towards potential new masters. And their markets, of course. It's always a good idea to pull the racism card in Germany, especially against the truth. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3124849/childrens-book-pulped-over-claim-covid-19-originated-china https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3124849/ch... https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-kids-book-pulped-after-china-complains https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-kids-book-pulped-a... This example looks cute, but people can't even imagine what the propagandistic future of this cold war will look like.
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  - worrycue 5y ago
    China’s reach extends into the Chinese emigrant communities in foreign lands. Some believe it’s because they are afraid of dissent organising abroad. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/08/the-chinese-communist-party-is-still-afraid-of-sun-yat-sens-shadow/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/08/the-chinese-communist-p...
BlackjackCF 5y ago
You're not a coward, just a human being. If you're a Chinese national, speaking out publicly against the CCP affects your family too. Even if you were out of reach of the CCP, there's nothing preventing them from disappearing your relatives.
chaostheory 5y ago
You have a good point, but based on his pre anti-corruption (political purge) writing, Liu Cixin agrees with the party line.

esarbe 5y ago

Coward here, too. The perfidious thing is that even emigrating doesn't put you out of Xi Jinping's grasp. It's well documented how pressure is applied to vocal opponents of the new Leaders policies by going after their families in China.

EdwardDiego 5y ago
Yep, happens in New Zealand on the regular. It's well known that all the local Chinese language newspapers toe the party line, and Chinese community groups (especially Skykiwi) are infiltrated by the CCP to a rather large extent, and if you're overly critical, well, hopefully you managed to get residence visas for 奶奶 / nǎi nai and 姥姥 / lǎo lao beforehand. Also, expect to be ostracised by the emigrant Chinese community. Oh, and even if you're not Chinese, but you're critical of China, well... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-curious-case-of-the-burgled-professor/LIFRYA3UBZNGCZPT45NB77KCY4/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-curious-case-of-the-burgle...
- Borrible 5y ago
  Didn't heard of any widespread anti-chinese progroms in Germany in early pandemic times, but I know a lot about German servility towards potential new masters. And their markets, of course. It's always a good idea to pull the racism card in Germany, especially against the truth. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3124849/childrens-book-pulped-over-claim-covid-19-originated-china https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3124849/ch... https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-kids-book-pulped-after-china-complains https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-kids-book-pulped-a... This example looks cute, but people can't even imagine what the propagandistic future of this cold war will look like.
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- worrycue 5y ago
  China’s reach extends into the Chinese emigrant communities in foreign lands. Some believe it’s because they are afraid of dissent organising abroad. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/08/the-chinese-communist-party-is-still-afraid-of-sun-yat-sens-shadow/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/08/the-chinese-communist-p...

BlackjackCF 5y ago

You're not a coward, just a human being. If you're a Chinese national, speaking out publicly against the CCP affects your family too. Even if you were out of reach of the CCP, there's nothing preventing them from disappearing your relatives.

chaostheory 5y ago

You have a good point, but based on his pre anti-corruption (political purge) writing, Liu Cixin agrees with the party line.