On the other hand, but not aimed at you, I've noticed a common theme with people who rail against frameworks and ORMs.. They act like everyone who likes them do

On the other hand, but not aimed at you, I've noticed a common theme with people who rail against frameworks and ORMs.. They act like everyone who likes them don't understand the low level or SQL :D Thay may be true for some, but all of the best people I know also embrace those niceties and know where the escape hatches are... "We don't use frameworks" <- Big red fracking flag.