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Please God no. I say this as someone with a Surface Laptop running Windows 11 and a Dell laptop running Ubuntu 20.4 sitting in front of me. The windows 11 exper
by ModernMech 5y ago
Please God no. I say this as someone with a Surface Laptop running Windows 11 and a Dell laptop running Ubuntu 20.4 sitting in front of me. The windows 11 experience has been great, flawless even. Yes there are some advertisements creeping into it, but they can be turned off, and Ubuntu doesn’t exactly have a clean track record here.
But in terms of the Dell, it is 2021 and I am still having issues with power management on Ubuntu. I will pick up the laptop and it will often be dead despite hibernating, leaving all my work closed and instant on a dream. I’m sorry but how is this still a problem? You can open up old threads on /. from the OS wars of the 2000s and see these same issues brought up. Linux has trouble with external and multiple displays, trouble with power management, trouble with wireless on and on.
And I’m sure someone will comment here about how these things can be fixed with enough elbow grease , but again, it’s 2021 and it’s still an issue. Can these issues really be fixed? Could Microsoft fix it if they take swing at it? Will Linux distros have decent power management by 2040? Honestly can’t say at this point, guessing no.
Moreover, is this something we really want? I mean, people were plenty happy when Chrome dethroned IE, but look at where we are now. The king is dead, long live the king. Having multiple competing kernels is a good thing for everyone IMO. We should actually be rooting for the Windows kernel to stay alive, as it is the underdog at this point in terms of usage and deployment -- aint no Windows machines on Mars (I don't know if that's strictly true actually, I just assume).
EDIT: I am amused that the first three replies are arguments that would have fit right into those old OS wars: MS has the money; hardware vendors are targeting Windows because it's popular; have you tried upgrading? I'm not picking on you folks, these are not bad arguments. These are perfectly valid points. But what I'm saying is that it's been 20 years since I've seen these arguments first made, and they still need to be made. That's a problem.
For instance, yes I've upgraded. It's not fixed. Yes I've tried to troubleshoot it. I can't fix it. Yes MS has a lot of money and power, but it's also been 20 years, so that excuse has worn thin. Yes hardware vendors target Windows, but this is a Dell machine, they targeted Ubuntu.
Why can't the Linux community move the needle on these issues, and if they can't why should we want Windows assimilated into that ecosystem? They have their own kernel that is technologically distinct and in many ways superior (other ways inferior). What do we gain by Windows being Linux? Let them be their own thing.
- MisterTea 5y agoMS doesn't want to fix Linux, it just wants its devs to buy Windows computers. Most Linux users these days are web developers who use MacOS. MS wants that market. It could care less about Linux as an OS or ecosystem.
- rossy 5y ago> I will pick up the laptop and it will often be dead despite hibernating You have to change the default sleep state from 's2idle' to 'deep'. I can't remember what config file I changed to make that permanent since I did it so long ago, but it should be a quick Google away.
- selfhoster11 5y agoIf the Linux community had the amount of elbow grease that Microsoft and hardware/software vendors have at their disposal, especially the unsexy issues... we'd be probably writing these comments from our Mars habitats.