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Facebook could be killed by a single state passing a law that says data on citizens of the state must only be stored in the state, and may not be transferred ou

Facebook could be killed by a single state passing a law that says data on citizens of the state must only be stored in the state, and may not be transferred out without written consent per transfer via certified mail. It is well within the power of state government to pass this and a single state would cause irreparable harm to the user graph.

HillRat 5y ago
Unfortunately, your specific proposal probably runs afoul of Commerce Clause case law, since it would likely be seen as discriminatory against out-of-state commerce and failing the Southern Pacific test.
- literallyaduck 5y ago
  CCPA shows a precedent. It is well within states rights to regulate data retention and has been established. See: https://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/data-security-laws-state-government.aspx#Laws https://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-informa... Another poster claimed this targets a single company, Facebook, which is not the case, it would be universal. Another user claimed this was "stupid" and no one could do business. Setting up a private data center or purchasing rack space at an existing data center locally is well within most businesses capabilities. As far as losing chains like Starbucks and Chick-fil-A I do not see that being a long term problem, how much data does a coffee or chicken place need to collect on its customers and? It would certainly boost localized technology companies in states which adopt this strategy.
Const-me 5y ago
Not sure it’s that simple. Facebook has enough money to build 51 datacenters in the US, and 27 datacenters in the EU. Possible facebook’s competitors, on the other hand…
- literallyaduck 5y ago
  Try running a query with a join between the data centers and having state troopers bust your data analysts. Having the data centers doesn't matter if you can't connect the data.
  - iamstupidsimple 5y ago
    It's possible to run private joins and see aggregate results without transfering the raw data.
    - literallyaduck 5y ago
      You would still need to transfer data, and the state troopers would incarcerate you. Aggregate data is still data.
      - waynesonfire 5y ago
        you're banning aggregate data now? so like, every business with analytics. may as well ban excel while you're at it.
      - missedthecue 5y ago
        That is ridiculous, I mean cookies are data. You would make it be illegal to access any website that isn't hosted in your state.
  - Const-me 5y ago
    Sorry, I don't follow. The "connecting people" aspect of FB is just marketing BS. The business model of FB is way simpler, hook users on the scrolling feed and likes, and sell their personal data to the highest bidder. They don't really need these joins to operate. Many advertisers are picking location-based filters anyway.
waynesonfire 5y ago
wrong. you can't pass a law that targets facebook. and herein lies the problem, for if you try to "fix" facebook, you're either simultaneously screwing over every internet company or further enshrining facebooks moat by hampering competition.
MR4D 5y ago
This is just dumb. Say goodbye to just about every single multi-state firm. Not just the FB and Googles of the world, but also the Starbucks and Chick-Fil-As as well. And say goodbye to your Visa card. Probably your bank as well (even if you use a local credit union). Also say goodbye to billing services like Stripe, and any insurance billing/payments probably would be broken. Costs would go up tremendously and choices would plummet. Finally, other have mention the Constitutional aspect too, so I’ll just say that this probably be thrown out of court on the first legal attempt.
- no_time 5y ago
  God damn, Where do I sign up? Saying goodbye is the least of my worries. But a move like this would most likely upset the US enough to flex it's imperialistic muscles. After all, they are the biggest beneficiaries of this cross border data flow.

HillRat 5y ago

Unfortunately, your specific proposal probably runs afoul of Commerce Clause case law, since it would likely be seen as discriminatory against out-of-state commerce and failing the Southern Pacific test.

literallyaduck 5y ago
CCPA shows a precedent. It is well within states rights to regulate data retention and has been established. See: https://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/data-security-laws-state-government.aspx#Laws https://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-informa... Another poster claimed this targets a single company, Facebook, which is not the case, it would be universal. Another user claimed this was "stupid" and no one could do business. Setting up a private data center or purchasing rack space at an existing data center locally is well within most businesses capabilities. As far as losing chains like Starbucks and Chick-fil-A I do not see that being a long term problem, how much data does a coffee or chicken place need to collect on its customers and? It would certainly boost localized technology companies in states which adopt this strategy.

Const-me 5y ago

Not sure it’s that simple. Facebook has enough money to build 51 datacenters in the US, and 27 datacenters in the EU. Possible facebook’s competitors, on the other hand…

literallyaduck 5y ago
Try running a query with a join between the data centers and having state troopers bust your data analysts. Having the data centers doesn't matter if you can't connect the data.
- iamstupidsimple 5y ago
  It's possible to run private joins and see aggregate results without transfering the raw data.
  - literallyaduck 5y ago
    You would still need to transfer data, and the state troopers would incarcerate you. Aggregate data is still data.
    - waynesonfire 5y ago
      you're banning aggregate data now? so like, every business with analytics. may as well ban excel while you're at it.
    - missedthecue 5y ago
      That is ridiculous, I mean cookies are data. You would make it be illegal to access any website that isn't hosted in your state.
- Const-me 5y ago
  Sorry, I don't follow. The "connecting people" aspect of FB is just marketing BS. The business model of FB is way simpler, hook users on the scrolling feed and likes, and sell their personal data to the highest bidder. They don't really need these joins to operate. Many advertisers are picking location-based filters anyway.

waynesonfire 5y ago

wrong. you can't pass a law that targets facebook. and herein lies the problem, for if you try to "fix" facebook, you're either simultaneously screwing over every internet company or further enshrining facebooks moat by hampering competition.

MR4D 5y ago

This is just dumb. Say goodbye to just about every single multi-state firm. Not just the FB and Googles of the world, but also the Starbucks and Chick-Fil-As as well. And say goodbye to your Visa card. Probably your bank as well (even if you use a local credit union). Also say goodbye to billing services like Stripe, and any insurance billing/payments probably would be broken. Costs would go up tremendously and choices would plummet. Finally, other have mention the Constitutional aspect too, so I’ll just say that this probably be thrown out of court on the first legal attempt.

no_time 5y ago
God damn, Where do I sign up? Saying goodbye is the least of my worries. But a move like this would most likely upset the US enough to flex it's imperialistic muscles. After all, they are the biggest beneficiaries of this cross border data flow.