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This data is wrong. Crime is not down. Crime is not flat. Crime is up. The city is on track to lose 1,000 people to O.D. and dealers are free to deal. Someone l

This data is wrong. Crime is not down. Crime is not flat. Crime is up. The city is on track to lose 1,000 people to O.D. and dealers are free to deal. Someone literally died outside of my apartment last year. Have you gone shopping lately in SF? Everything is behind plastic, including toothpaste, or anything for that matter. Stores are closing. Business is voting with its feet. We can redefine crime, we can refuse to prosecute it, but we can not escape its deleterious effects. Recall Chesa! https://www.safersfwithoutboudin.com/ https://www.safersfwithoutboudin.com/

finfinfin 5y ago
It’s an incredibly perverse tactic: reclassify crime, disincentive people from reporting it, disempower police from dealing with it… and then tout this as a reduction in crime levels and a win. Pathetic.
- skulk 5y ago
  I think HBO made a 5-season show about this, quite popular, had a name like "the string" or "rope" or something.
  - justinlink 5y ago
    The Wire. Ok, I'm actually curious did you really not remember the name but the did know the number of seasons, and it was something like rope/string?
    - skulk 5y ago
      I just thought it would be funny if someone watched The Wire, internalized its message (which is pretty succinctly put in the GGP comment) and forgot its name. It felt more substantive than commenting "oh, that's the Wire!"
- m0llusk 5y ago
  That is an unreasonably cynical take on what is happening. Reporting and tracking is always imperfect, but just to point out one improvement the 311 system greatly improved reporting. Getting the most out of police without giving into oppression is never simple, and our incarceration spree has gone beyond what we can actually afford. Sitting back and being angry and playing blame games is not going to get us out of this.
trs8080 5y ago
these are some bold (anecdotal) claims made in response to an extremely well-sourced article that not only shows where the data came from but how it was analyzed. care to give us some actual data?
- justinzollars 5y ago
  The data disagrees with what I have said, yes. But so did the data of the 1932 Ukrainian harvest and subsequent famine [1]. The Ukranians reported a record harvest, in the same way the SF Chronicle reports "crime is actually way down". I've lived in SF for 12 years, its never been so bad. You see it, you feel it, business are closing because of it. Business data may back up what I have said, you could google walgreens crime stats in SF as an example. Target is another example. Also the 1,000 people who will die due to drug OD are not counted. Why is that? [1] The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/abs/1932-harvest-and-the-famine-of-1933/C5FC508259E11A70BFBFA5AE5A2C4E9F https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/articl...

finfinfin 5y ago

It’s an incredibly perverse tactic: reclassify crime, disincentive people from reporting it, disempower police from dealing with it… and then tout this as a reduction in crime levels and a win. Pathetic.

skulk 5y ago
I think HBO made a 5-season show about this, quite popular, had a name like "the string" or "rope" or something.
- justinlink 5y ago
  The Wire. Ok, I'm actually curious did you really not remember the name but the did know the number of seasons, and it was something like rope/string?
  - skulk 5y ago
    I just thought it would be funny if someone watched The Wire, internalized its message (which is pretty succinctly put in the GGP comment) and forgot its name. It felt more substantive than commenting "oh, that's the Wire!"
m0llusk 5y ago
That is an unreasonably cynical take on what is happening. Reporting and tracking is always imperfect, but just to point out one improvement the 311 system greatly improved reporting. Getting the most out of police without giving into oppression is never simple, and our incarceration spree has gone beyond what we can actually afford. Sitting back and being angry and playing blame games is not going to get us out of this.

trs8080 5y ago

these are some bold (anecdotal) claims made in response to an extremely well-sourced article that not only shows where the data came from but how it was analyzed. care to give us some actual data?

justinzollars 5y ago
The data disagrees with what I have said, yes. But so did the data of the 1932 Ukrainian harvest and subsequent famine [1]. The Ukranians reported a record harvest, in the same way the SF Chronicle reports "crime is actually way down". I've lived in SF for 12 years, its never been so bad. You see it, you feel it, business are closing because of it. Business data may back up what I have said, you could google walgreens crime stats in SF as an example. Target is another example. Also the 1,000 people who will die due to drug OD are not counted. Why is that? [1] The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/abs/1932-harvest-and-the-famine-of-1933/C5FC508259E11A70BFBFA5AE5A2C4E9F https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/articl...