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Microsoft Officially Deprecates UWP

36 points by adrian_mrd 5y ago

moogly 5y ago
I know a lot of people like XAML, but as a XAML skeptic (yes, I've had the misfortune to work with it professionally), maybe MS should take note that all XAML-based UI frameworks end up being unpopular outside of LOB apps and they keep on deprecating them (or virtually abandoning them like WPF), but still keep on remaking basically the same framework over and over again, developer experience-wise.
m0zg 5y ago
And then people turn around and accuse Google of ADD. This is like sixth or seventh half baked app framework MS has released in 20 years, with the last usable one being Windows Forms (which was ripped off directly from Borland VCL). I pity the fool who spent his/her time learning all this stuff from 800+ page encyclopedia sized books.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  Yes, for all the criticism of Apple on backwards compatibility their UI story has been remarkably consistent in comparison.
dragontamer 5y ago
Silverlight -> Windows 8 -> UWP -> Windows App SDK You just gotta feel bad for the Windows developers on this one, along with XNA and all the other stuff in the past couple of years.
NikolaeVarius 5y ago
Well that was fast. Only 6 years old
- WalterGR 5y ago
  That's 12 in Google years, though.
literallyaduck 5y ago
If people would accept the elegance of COBOL and stop demanding eye candy the world would be a more efficient place. Dev stack churn and application rewrites in stacks which frequently change account for substantial waste.
phendrenad2 5y ago
Three-letter Microsoft acronyms come and go, but win32 is forever.
- dragontamer 5y ago
  ATL / WTL / COM are built on top of Win32, so they're still good!
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CursedUrn 5y ago
How does the Windows App SDK differ from UWP? Does it still include the awful DRM features that prevent viewing/editing/deleting files on your own hard drive?
mikewarot 5y ago
So, does this mean my Win32 api programs will keep working, or not?
- dragontamer 5y ago
  Win32 basically can't die. Too much backwards compatibility issues. If Windows kills Win32, there'd be pretty much no point to use Windows anymore. Silverlight / Win8 / UWP / whatever aren't as big a deal, because they never reached critical mass. But... they'll never reach critical mass if the Windows team keeps killing them off. Developers will avoid XAML like the plague, fearing that their projects will go obsolete in a short time.

36 points by adrian_mrd 5y ago

I know a lot of people like XAML, but as a XAML skeptic (yes, I've had the misfortune to work with it professionally), maybe MS should take note that all XAML-based UI frameworks end up being unpopular outside of LOB apps and they keep on deprecating them (or virtually abandoning them like WPF), but still keep on remaking basically the same framework over and over again, developer experience-wise.

m0zg 5y ago

And then people turn around and accuse Google of ADD. This is like sixth or seventh half baked app framework MS has released in 20 years, with the last usable one being Windows Forms (which was ripped off directly from Borland VCL). I pity the fool who spent his/her time learning all this stuff from 800+ page encyclopedia sized books.

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
Yes, for all the criticism of Apple on backwards compatibility their UI story has been remarkably consistent in comparison.

dragontamer 5y ago

Silverlight -> Windows 8 -> UWP -> Windows App SDK You just gotta feel bad for the Windows developers on this one, along with XNA and all the other stuff in the past couple of years.

NikolaeVarius 5y ago

Well that was fast. Only 6 years old

WalterGR 5y ago
That's 12 in Google years, though.

literallyaduck 5y ago

If people would accept the elegance of COBOL and stop demanding eye candy the world would be a more efficient place. Dev stack churn and application rewrites in stacks which frequently change account for substantial waste.

phendrenad2 5y ago

Three-letter Microsoft acronyms come and go, but win32 is forever.

dragontamer 5y ago
ATL / WTL / COM are built on top of Win32, so they're still good!
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CursedUrn 5y ago

How does the Windows App SDK differ from UWP? Does it still include the awful DRM features that prevent viewing/editing/deleting files on your own hard drive?

mikewarot 5y ago

So, does this mean my Win32 api programs will keep working, or not?

dragontamer 5y ago
Win32 basically can't die. Too much backwards compatibility issues. If Windows kills Win32, there'd be pretty much no point to use Windows anymore. Silverlight / Win8 / UWP / whatever aren't as big a deal, because they never reached critical mass. But... they'll never reach critical mass if the Windows team keeps killing them off. Developers will avoid XAML like the plague, fearing that their projects will go obsolete in a short time.