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> welcome to not being included for once in your entire life. Now maybe you can start to begin to understand what others have experienced basically every day of

> welcome to not being included for once in your entire life. Now maybe you can start to begin to understand what others have experienced basically every day of their life. Your examples are proving OP's point. Your snarky response is what's wrong with the world now a days. I am brown but this over-pandering by companies feels more patronizing and condescending than genuine care. It's like winning an award or being hired just for being a specific skin color and not because of my skills. This over-correction ends up creating more animosity because people start wondering if their heart surgeon was hired because of their skin color or skills and the brown person starts feeling lower because they aren't sure if they got hired because of their skills or just to tick a checkbox on the diversity list. This type of over-pandering might be okay if this web page was localized to lets say another country with those demographics. But when countries like US and Canada don't have any representation of the largest demographic, then that's not genuine and mere pandering. I would even go as far as to say it's simply exploitation of skin color.

TheHypnotist 5y ago
Uh, there is a technical reason on demonstration as well. Don't try so hard to be that guy. "Take authentic, accurate portraits with Real Tone. Portraits on Pixel represent the nuances of different skin tones for all people beautifully and authentically."
- krzyk 5y ago
  But that's the point, they don't show all popular skin tones on those portraits.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    That's because photography has a long history of being developed specifically for white people: https://www.vox.com/2015/9/18/9348821/photography-race-bias https://www.vox.com/2015/9/18/9348821/photography-race-bias The point is that now they've broadened the range where the camera works well. So they are showing what's improved.
  - 28921247 5y ago
    Tide ads don’t show every single stain their product could remove. Beer ads don’t show every type of person with a working esophagus. They’re trying to get black people to buy Pixel phones. Let’s not overthink this.
wpietri 5y ago
> their heart surgeon was hired because of their skin color This may come as a surprise to you, but for most of American history surgeons were hired because of their skin color and genitals (two things not as far as I know used during the practice of medicine). And many probably still are. The number of medical degrees for women is now about at parity [1]. But as far as practicing physicians go, only 38% are women [2]. And the numbers for surgery are much lower. I've heard from multiple friends in medicine tell me that surgery has a culture that's very macho and frequently abusive. [1] https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/nation-s-physician-workforce-evolves-more-women-bit-older-and-toward-different-specialties https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/nation-s-physician-workfo... [2] https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/physicians-by-gender/?currentTimeframe=0&selectedRows=%7B%22wrapups%22:%7B%22united-states%22:%7B%7D%7D%7D&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/physicians-by-gend...
ehsankia 5y ago
It's not an over-correction, they're just trying to sell a new feature. That's like they were trying to market Night Sight, they'd do it by posting a bunch of pictures in the dark. As a white person I've never had to wonder if a camera would be able to properly capture my skin tone, so them showing pictures of white people won't really give me anything new. The whole point of this is to show underrepresented people that their skin tones are now better supported. Those are the people who care about this new feature. And the photos are there to convince them. A white person doesn't need convincing that a camera can capture their skin tone.

TheHypnotist 5y ago

Uh, there is a technical reason on demonstration as well. Don't try so hard to be that guy. "Take authentic, accurate portraits with Real Tone. Portraits on Pixel represent the nuances of different skin tones for all people beautifully and authentically."

krzyk 5y ago
But that's the point, they don't show all popular skin tones on those portraits.
- wpietri 5y ago
  That's because photography has a long history of being developed specifically for white people: https://www.vox.com/2015/9/18/9348821/photography-race-bias https://www.vox.com/2015/9/18/9348821/photography-race-bias The point is that now they've broadened the range where the camera works well. So they are showing what's improved.
- 28921247 5y ago
  Tide ads don’t show every single stain their product could remove. Beer ads don’t show every type of person with a working esophagus. They’re trying to get black people to buy Pixel phones. Let’s not overthink this.

wpietri 5y ago

> their heart surgeon was hired because of their skin color This may come as a surprise to you, but for most of American history surgeons were hired because of their skin color and genitals (two things not as far as I know used during the practice of medicine). And many probably still are. The number of medical degrees for women is now about at parity [1]. But as far as practicing physicians go, only 38% are women [2]. And the numbers for surgery are much lower. I've heard from multiple friends in medicine tell me that surgery has a culture that's very macho and frequently abusive. [1] https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/nation-s-physician-workforce-evolves-more-women-bit-older-and-toward-different-specialties https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/nation-s-physician-workfo... [2] https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/physicians-by-gender/?currentTimeframe=0&selectedRows=%7B%22wrapups%22:%7B%22united-states%22:%7B%7D%7D%7D&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/physicians-by-gend...

ehsankia 5y ago

It's not an over-correction, they're just trying to sell a new feature. That's like they were trying to market Night Sight, they'd do it by posting a bunch of pictures in the dark. As a white person I've never had to wonder if a camera would be able to properly capture my skin tone, so them showing pictures of white people won't really give me anything new. The whole point of this is to show underrepresented people that their skin tones are now better supported. Those are the people who care about this new feature. And the photos are there to convince them. A white person doesn't need convincing that a camera can capture their skin tone.