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1. Not true, I see at least 2 [0] [1] 2. Even if it was true, welcome to not being included for once in your entire life. Now maybe you can start to begin to understand what others have experienced basically every day of their life. [0] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/s6bCli03aqnY_KvZoPaTgiFqCjAXLWyCBYUklSYZXB5y5kOql0VUV9I4C-tyiwshg_iX8ig4JDrUvitbmVhBKu_nME0xUMnVDw https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/s6bCli03aqnY_KvZoPaTgiFqCj... [1] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Zq1FVWVv9GOCRJ3oHJg0PHzWgEZ2lFcA_ukkn9Dzn9mKqqGl9F4CtAaXBYMnbWlNjDSimPnIDV1SEB1ZDXu4F1OJNYimXtWG7g=rw-e365-w2880 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Zq1FVWVv9GOCRJ3oHJg0PHzWgE...

eric_b 5y ago
Your examples are hilarious and you can imagine how I missed those. Pretend all the photos were reversed, and those were the only two people of color on the whole page. Google would be (rightfully) chastised.
- buu700 5y ago
  Is it rightful to chastise them either way? It'd be one thing if there were a leaked internal memo saying to exclude a particular race, but this could just as easily be the result of a marketing intern arbitrarily selecting stock photos. Personally, I also didn't notice the presence of white men or lack thereof until you brought it up.
  - bduerst 5y ago
    Yeah this "what about white men?" doesn't feel genuine given there is a white man on the page, the new tensor feature for detecting POC, historical context of marketing in general, and the fact the Apple iphone page is comparable...
  - dexterdog 5y ago
    In what statistical universe could it have played out like it did?
    - smt88 5y ago
      Any random one, just as it's possible to flip a coin and get heads a few times in a row.
      - dexterdog 5y ago
        Except we're talking about over 20 pictures. Do you know how often you'll get heads 20 times in a row? I'll give you a hint, it's in the neighborhood of 1 in 2 million.
        smt88 5y ago
        As others have said, the large group of pictures of non-white people is about a specific feature: a camera that does a better job of capturing darker skin tones. So we can ignore those. The other pictures I see are: - White woman - Asian man - White(?) man (the guy with a man-bun who's jumping) - White(?) man looking at mountains (his hand looks beige, so he could be any lighter-skinned race) - Black woman - Black man/woman - White man/woman - Asian family - Asian man/woman and Black woman - children that are too small to see - Asian woman - Asian woman That's 20 people, 15 of whom seem to have an identifiable race. Of those 15, 3 are White, which is 20%. The US is ~60% White and humanity is ~15% White. So what exactly are you complaining about? In the grand universe of marketing pictures, White people have been dramatically overrepresented. Did you complain about that in the past? I think they will survive being slightly underrepresented this time.
  - Gigachad 5y ago
    These aren’t stock images, they are meant to show what the pixel camera looks like. But at google, you can assume these things are all _very_ carefully considered. Usually all google marketing images contain exactly equal numbers of white/black and male/female people. It doesn’t really matter but it does stick out how they are all exactly proportioned in every graphic.
- khqc 5y ago
  https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vAkOJHbWYn9AvxSOmlHp_1VrzWX5kV_aHy2bLnY495hyZqtUriGK1JQZMBIZFihvvMjKuQtY5inHMf20OSDSxEGupt4GKq1Z8GU=rw-e365-w1024 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vAkOJHbWYn9AvxSOmlHp_1VrzW... Does this meet your requirement?
  - eric_b 5y ago
    If you read my comment, the answer is "no". That appears to be a white woman, and I was specifically talking about white "guys" which I used to mean "males"
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    - ehsankia 5y ago
      Not quite on the store page, but this is the full ad-campaign: https://i1.wp.com/9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/09/pixel-6-magazine-ad-cover.jpeg https://i1.wp.com/9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/...
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- 28921247 5y ago
  Reversing the distribution only sounds logical if you reduce your sample to this one instance and ignore the entire history of product marketing. Which is convenient for some people, and totally bonkers for anyone who isn’t CW&H. Having to squint to find anyone who even remotely resembles you is the lived experience of millions of people. Perhaps you should reflect on why you can’t relate to people in an ad that look different from you? It’s a skill that someone of us don’t have the luxury of not developing.
busymom0 5y ago
> welcome to not being included for once in your entire life. Now maybe you can start to begin to understand what others have experienced basically every day of their life. Your examples are proving OP's point. Your snarky response is what's wrong with the world now a days. I am brown but this over-pandering by companies feels more patronizing and condescending than genuine care. It's like winning an award or being hired just for being a specific skin color and not because of my skills. This over-correction ends up creating more animosity because people start wondering if their heart surgeon was hired because of their skin color or skills and the brown person starts feeling lower because they aren't sure if they got hired because of their skills or just to tick a checkbox on the diversity list. This type of over-pandering might be okay if this web page was localized to lets say another country with those demographics. But when countries like US and Canada don't have any representation of the largest demographic, then that's not genuine and mere pandering. I would even go as far as to say it's simply exploitation of skin color.
- TheHypnotist 5y ago
  Uh, there is a technical reason on demonstration as well. Don't try so hard to be that guy. "Take authentic, accurate portraits with Real Tone. Portraits on Pixel represent the nuances of different skin tones for all people beautifully and authentically."
  - krzyk 5y ago
    But that's the point, they don't show all popular skin tones on those portraits.
    - wpietri 5y ago
      That's because photography has a long history of being developed specifically for white people: https://www.vox.com/2015/9/18/9348821/photography-race-bias https://www.vox.com/2015/9/18/9348821/photography-race-bias The point is that now they've broadened the range where the camera works well. So they are showing what's improved.
    - 5y ago
Rekombinat0r 5y ago
Those pictures don't show up on my browser when I view the page. The only pictures that show up are a white woman, an Asian man, and then 11 African people. But to address your examples, wherever you found them: the first one is swarthy Middle Eastern-looking guy who is very far away, way up in a building, and then one other guy guy who whose face is covered by the arm of a black guy. And who knows where and how you even managed to find those pictures. It would serve your (our (humanity's)) cause better to address the issue instead of lying and pretending it doesn't exist. You are just going to add fuel to the fire of reactionary populism which wastes more of humanity's time.

eric_b 5y ago

Your examples are hilarious and you can imagine how I missed those. Pretend all the photos were reversed, and those were the only two people of color on the whole page. Google would be (rightfully) chastised.

buu700 5y ago
Is it rightful to chastise them either way? It'd be one thing if there were a leaked internal memo saying to exclude a particular race, but this could just as easily be the result of a marketing intern arbitrarily selecting stock photos. Personally, I also didn't notice the presence of white men or lack thereof until you brought it up.
- bduerst 5y ago
  Yeah this "what about white men?" doesn't feel genuine given there is a white man on the page, the new tensor feature for detecting POC, historical context of marketing in general, and the fact the Apple iphone page is comparable...
- dexterdog 5y ago
  In what statistical universe could it have played out like it did?
  - smt88 5y ago
    Any random one, just as it's possible to flip a coin and get heads a few times in a row.
    - dexterdog 5y ago
      Except we're talking about over 20 pictures. Do you know how often you'll get heads 20 times in a row? I'll give you a hint, it's in the neighborhood of 1 in 2 million.
      - smt88 5y ago
        As others have said, the large group of pictures of non-white people is about a specific feature: a camera that does a better job of capturing darker skin tones. So we can ignore those. The other pictures I see are: - White woman - Asian man - White(?) man (the guy with a man-bun who's jumping) - White(?) man looking at mountains (his hand looks beige, so he could be any lighter-skinned race) - Black woman - Black man/woman - White man/woman - Asian family - Asian man/woman and Black woman - children that are too small to see - Asian woman - Asian woman That's 20 people, 15 of whom seem to have an identifiable race. Of those 15, 3 are White, which is 20%. The US is ~60% White and humanity is ~15% White. So what exactly are you complaining about? In the grand universe of marketing pictures, White people have been dramatically overrepresented. Did you complain about that in the past? I think they will survive being slightly underrepresented this time.
- Gigachad 5y ago
  These aren’t stock images, they are meant to show what the pixel camera looks like. But at google, you can assume these things are all _very_ carefully considered. Usually all google marketing images contain exactly equal numbers of white/black and male/female people. It doesn’t really matter but it does stick out how they are all exactly proportioned in every graphic.
khqc 5y ago
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vAkOJHbWYn9AvxSOmlHp_1VrzWX5kV_aHy2bLnY495hyZqtUriGK1JQZMBIZFihvvMjKuQtY5inHMf20OSDSxEGupt4GKq1Z8GU=rw-e365-w1024 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vAkOJHbWYn9AvxSOmlHp_1VrzW... Does this meet your requirement?
- eric_b 5y ago
  If you read my comment, the answer is "no". That appears to be a white woman, and I was specifically talking about white "guys" which I used to mean "males"
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  - ehsankia 5y ago
    Not quite on the store page, but this is the full ad-campaign: https://i1.wp.com/9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/09/pixel-6-magazine-ad-cover.jpeg https://i1.wp.com/9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/...
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28921247 5y ago
Reversing the distribution only sounds logical if you reduce your sample to this one instance and ignore the entire history of product marketing. Which is convenient for some people, and totally bonkers for anyone who isn’t CW&H. Having to squint to find anyone who even remotely resembles you is the lived experience of millions of people. Perhaps you should reflect on why you can’t relate to people in an ad that look different from you? It’s a skill that someone of us don’t have the luxury of not developing.

busymom0 5y ago

> welcome to not being included for once in your entire life. Now maybe you can start to begin to understand what others have experienced basically every day of their life. Your examples are proving OP's point. Your snarky response is what's wrong with the world now a days. I am brown but this over-pandering by companies feels more patronizing and condescending than genuine care. It's like winning an award or being hired just for being a specific skin color and not because of my skills. This over-correction ends up creating more animosity because people start wondering if their heart surgeon was hired because of their skin color or skills and the brown person starts feeling lower because they aren't sure if they got hired because of their skills or just to tick a checkbox on the diversity list. This type of over-pandering might be okay if this web page was localized to lets say another country with those demographics. But when countries like US and Canada don't have any representation of the largest demographic, then that's not genuine and mere pandering. I would even go as far as to say it's simply exploitation of skin color.

TheHypnotist 5y ago
Uh, there is a technical reason on demonstration as well. Don't try so hard to be that guy. "Take authentic, accurate portraits with Real Tone. Portraits on Pixel represent the nuances of different skin tones for all people beautifully and authentically."
- krzyk 5y ago
  But that's the point, they don't show all popular skin tones on those portraits.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    That's because photography has a long history of being developed specifically for white people: https://www.vox.com/2015/9/18/9348821/photography-race-bias https://www.vox.com/2015/9/18/9348821/photography-race-bias The point is that now they've broadened the range where the camera works well. So they are showing what's improved.
  - 5y ago

Rekombinat0r 5y ago

Those pictures don't show up on my browser when I view the page. The only pictures that show up are a white woman, an Asian man, and then 11 African people. But to address your examples, wherever you found them: the first one is swarthy Middle Eastern-looking guy who is very far away, way up in a building, and then one other guy guy who whose face is covered by the arm of a black guy. And who knows where and how you even managed to find those pictures. It would serve your (our (humanity's)) cause better to address the issue instead of lying and pretending it doesn't exist. You are just going to add fuel to the fire of reactionary populism which wastes more of humanity's time.