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> compared to the scope of H1B fraud. Which is largely overblown for political gain. Some companies abuse/have abused the program - mostly large consultancies

> compared to the scope of H1B fraud. Which is largely overblown for political gain. Some companies abuse/have abused the program - mostly large consultancies. Focus on that. H1 is a US superpower. Companies can pick brains among the entire planet(many of those brains WANT to be picked). At essentially no cost to the country. Yes, each one will 'take' a job, but how many jobs are created by immigrants? The yearly cap is 65k. One Elon Musk generates more than that. > underpay Check the article, it is talking about "lucrative" jobs. > Does America not have schools Are you talking about the ridiculously expensive universities(and higher education in general)? Maybe fix that?

kfprt 5y ago
>Are you talking about the ridiculously expensive universities(and higher education in general)? Maybe fix that? Interesting question that. I think the issue is that corporations realized training employees was a cost center and decided to outsource as much of it as possible to, as you said, ridiculously expensive universities. Of course no general education could ever be perfectly aligned with the individual needs of millions of unique positions at different corporations. The fix here is for companies to reopen their own training pipelines.
- JadeNB 5y ago
  > I think the issue is that corporations realized training employees was a cost center and decided to outsource as much of it as possible to, as you said, ridiculously expensive universities. As a university professor, hoo boy is that a bad bet. I have a lot of goals in the classroom, but training future employees is not one of them; and, despite the corporatist mindset of my (and I suspect most) university's administration, there is no guidance from the university that that should be a goal.
  - kfprt 5y ago
    Yeah, it's a bad fit. Doesn't mean that wasn't the corporate intent.
BitwiseFool 5y ago
>"At essentially no cost to the country." What about citizens who are otherwise passed up for a career? I've worked with plenty of H1B's and none particularly stood out as "top minds" that were uniquely capable of doing the office work. While I have no doubt that the US is able to poach some seriously intelligent folks, I have a deep cynicism that corporations use H1B's to hire cheaply and bypass the obligations that come with hiring a citizen.
commandlinefan 5y ago
> how many jobs are created Yeah, somebody has to drive their taxis, clean their clothes, sweep their floors and serve their coffee.

kfprt 5y ago

>Are you talking about the ridiculously expensive universities(and higher education in general)? Maybe fix that? Interesting question that. I think the issue is that corporations realized training employees was a cost center and decided to outsource as much of it as possible to, as you said, ridiculously expensive universities. Of course no general education could ever be perfectly aligned with the individual needs of millions of unique positions at different corporations. The fix here is for companies to reopen their own training pipelines.

JadeNB 5y ago
> I think the issue is that corporations realized training employees was a cost center and decided to outsource as much of it as possible to, as you said, ridiculously expensive universities. As a university professor, hoo boy is that a bad bet. I have a lot of goals in the classroom, but training future employees is not one of them; and, despite the corporatist mindset of my (and I suspect most) university's administration, there is no guidance from the university that that should be a goal.
- kfprt 5y ago
  Yeah, it's a bad fit. Doesn't mean that wasn't the corporate intent.

BitwiseFool 5y ago

>"At essentially no cost to the country." What about citizens who are otherwise passed up for a career? I've worked with plenty of H1B's and none particularly stood out as "top minds" that were uniquely capable of doing the office work. While I have no doubt that the US is able to poach some seriously intelligent folks, I have a deep cynicism that corporations use H1B's to hire cheaply and bypass the obligations that come with hiring a citizen.

commandlinefan 5y ago

> how many jobs are created Yeah, somebody has to drive their taxis, clean their clothes, sweep their floors and serve their coffee.