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Do you understand how it's different when it's on their servers vs having the functionality to scan for anything they want on your phone? We don't need to have

Do you understand how it's different when it's on their servers vs having the functionality to scan for anything they want on your phone? We don't need to have this discussion again. Please go research the hundreds of thousands of discussions and blog posts about how what apple is proposing to do is entirely different.

0des 5y ago
> We don't need to have this discussion again. There's no need for this tone. People will disagree, and that's what makes this place great.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  This isn't disagreeing. This is not doing basic reading before commenting.
  - concinds 5y ago
    This is not a case of "not doing basic reading". It's not a settled debate. The anti-CSAM scanning side has advanced a lot of spurious arguments and quite a lot of misinformation, some of which was spread by NGOs and orgs like the EFF (!!!) and more. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176418
theshrike79 5y ago
Yes, I understand. When they scan it on my phone, they don't need to scan it in the cloud. They have one less reason to touch my stuff when it's on their servers. One step closer to full E2EE. Every major cloud provider is already scanning every photo you put up and in most cases without any human review. Your photo gets flagged and it's good bye account. Next step: HN front page to maybe get a human to look at your case.
jodrellblank 5y ago
> "Do you understand how it's different when it's on their servers vs having the functionality to scan for anything they want on your phone?" It's this kind of casual fearmongering which stops people from accurately understanding. What makes you think Apple doesn't already have the functionality to scan for anything they want on your phone, given that they built a phone content scanner a decade ago for the iTunes Match service and a photo tagger and analyser which does run on the phone, and they control everything about the software? What makes you think Google doesn't have the functionality to scan for anything they want on your phone, or couldn't add it if they wanted to? Have you the source code for the Google Play services? The internal chip firmwares? Have you studied Google's terms and conditions in enough detail to be certain they can't move any such checks client side without telling you? And they also do analyse photos on-device and tag their content for normal use. Why do you trust that Google isn't doing anything snitchy or on behalf of the authorities, but when Apple announces that they won't and designs a system which makes it hard for them to do that, then you assume they will? Not even quietly cynically suspect that they might, but spreading as a fact that they definitely will.

0des 5y ago

> We don't need to have this discussion again. There's no need for this tone. People will disagree, and that's what makes this place great.

aaomidi 5y ago
This isn't disagreeing. This is not doing basic reading before commenting.
- concinds 5y ago
  This is not a case of "not doing basic reading". It's not a settled debate. The anti-CSAM scanning side has advanced a lot of spurious arguments and quite a lot of misinformation, some of which was spread by NGOs and orgs like the EFF (!!!) and more. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176418

theshrike79 5y ago

Yes, I understand. When they scan it on my phone, they don't need to scan it in the cloud. They have one less reason to touch my stuff when it's on their servers. One step closer to full E2EE. Every major cloud provider is already scanning every photo you put up and in most cases without any human review. Your photo gets flagged and it's good bye account. Next step: HN front page to maybe get a human to look at your case.

jodrellblank 5y ago

> "Do you understand how it's different when it's on their servers vs having the functionality to scan for anything they want on your phone?" It's this kind of casual fearmongering which stops people from accurately understanding. What makes you think Apple doesn't already have the functionality to scan for anything they want on your phone, given that they built a phone content scanner a decade ago for the iTunes Match service and a photo tagger and analyser which does run on the phone, and they control everything about the software? What makes you think Google doesn't have the functionality to scan for anything they want on your phone, or couldn't add it if they wanted to? Have you the source code for the Google Play services? The internal chip firmwares? Have you studied Google's terms and conditions in enough detail to be certain they can't move any such checks client side without telling you? And they also do analyse photos on-device and tag their content for normal use. Why do you trust that Google isn't doing anything snitchy or on behalf of the authorities, but when Apple announces that they won't and designs a system which makes it hard for them to do that, then you assume they will? Not even quietly cynically suspect that they might, but spreading as a fact that they definitely will.