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>> Florida may have more elderly per capita than California, but not 2X more. However they did have twice the death rate. Maybe herd immunity is exponential?

>> Florida may have more elderly per capita than California, but not 2X more. However they did have twice the death rate. Maybe herd immunity is exponential? Oh wait it is!!!! You're eliminating many possibilities with nothing to support it. >> Accidents are the 3rd leading cause of death I said car accidents. Talking with you is disengenuous and continually truth distorting, so my choice is to spend more time correcting your factual inaccuracies in that wall of text or play with the dog. You win this debate by pure stubborn stupidity.

jasonlaramburu 5y ago
> Maybe herd immunity is exponential? Oh wait it is!!!! Ok, so why does Texas have a higher death rate than California? They have a younger average population, lots of elderly people and basically zero covid restrictions since day 1. Shouldn’t they have exponentially more herd immunity? >I said car accidents As I understand your point, You claim COVID death rates among young people are comparable to car accident deaths, therefore we shouldn’t bother trying to reduce them. This makes no sense. Governments go to great lengths and enact regulations to reduce deaths from auto accidents, as well as far less frequent causes of death (eg plane crashes). Few people would say it’s not worth preventing these deaths. >You win this debate by pure stubborn stupidity I’ve reviewed your claims and provided facts in good faith that challenge your positions. You’ve responded with name calling. It seems like you simply believe what you believe and aren’t interested in any facts that don’t support your position. That is the definition of bad faith.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  >>provided facts in good faith that challenge your positions False. You have provided CLAIMS. Claims without a single supporting reference, and claimed those to be facts. Even your claim about providing facts is false! lol Claims that have been proven to be false or distorted numerous times. You seem to be thriving in the post-truth era. It's not worth it to engage with someone who distorts the truth so readily. But best of luck to you anyhow!
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    The data on elderly populations is taken from an article that you originally shared [1]. Perhaps you did not read it, or do not believe your own data, but it clearly states that Florida, Texas and California have the largest elderly populations in the US. It also clearly states that the median age in Texas and % of the population over 65 are lower than in California. The data on covid death rates (per 100,000 people) is publicly available [2]. Even in a state with a younger population (Texas), overall death rates are still higher than in California. I don't need to distort the truth because it is obvious to anyone with common sense. But let's look at it another way just for fun. 40,689 Floridians over age 65 have died of COVID [3]. If Florida had the same % of over 65 residents as California does (14.3%), we would expect to see 28,245 >age 65 deaths in Florida. This would give Florida an overall COVID death rate of 201 deaths per 100,000 people. This is still higher than the actual overall death rate in California (179 deaths per 100,00 people). And in this hypothetical exercise, we are likely still undercounting deaths in Florida. My point is that you can't only cite age as a confounder when you compare Florida and California. You have to take into account different policies, and there is no way to argue that Florida's policy has saved lives. [1] https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... [3] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se...

jasonlaramburu 5y ago

> Maybe herd immunity is exponential? Oh wait it is!!!! Ok, so why does Texas have a higher death rate than California? They have a younger average population, lots of elderly people and basically zero covid restrictions since day 1. Shouldn’t they have exponentially more herd immunity? >I said car accidents As I understand your point, You claim COVID death rates among young people are comparable to car accident deaths, therefore we shouldn’t bother trying to reduce them. This makes no sense. Governments go to great lengths and enact regulations to reduce deaths from auto accidents, as well as far less frequent causes of death (eg plane crashes). Few people would say it’s not worth preventing these deaths. >You win this debate by pure stubborn stupidity I’ve reviewed your claims and provided facts in good faith that challenge your positions. You’ve responded with name calling. It seems like you simply believe what you believe and aren’t interested in any facts that don’t support your position. That is the definition of bad faith.

nickthemagicman 5y ago
>>provided facts in good faith that challenge your positions False. You have provided CLAIMS. Claims without a single supporting reference, and claimed those to be facts. Even your claim about providing facts is false! lol Claims that have been proven to be false or distorted numerous times. You seem to be thriving in the post-truth era. It's not worth it to engage with someone who distorts the truth so readily. But best of luck to you anyhow!
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  The data on elderly populations is taken from an article that you originally shared [1]. Perhaps you did not read it, or do not believe your own data, but it clearly states that Florida, Texas and California have the largest elderly populations in the US. It also clearly states that the median age in Texas and % of the population over 65 are lower than in California. The data on covid death rates (per 100,000 people) is publicly available [2]. Even in a state with a younger population (Texas), overall death rates are still higher than in California. I don't need to distort the truth because it is obvious to anyone with common sense. But let's look at it another way just for fun. 40,689 Floridians over age 65 have died of COVID [3]. If Florida had the same % of over 65 residents as California does (14.3%), we would expect to see 28,245 >age 65 deaths in Florida. This would give Florida an overall COVID death rate of 201 deaths per 100,000 people. This is still higher than the actual overall death rate in California (179 deaths per 100,00 people). And in this hypothetical exercise, we are likely still undercounting deaths in Florida. My point is that you can't only cite age as a confounder when you compare Florida and California. You have to take into account different policies, and there is no way to argue that Florida's policy has saved lives. [1] https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... [3] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se...