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How do you get any scientific field to agree 99.9%? I don't think you could even get these numbers for particle physics. Is science no longer about attempts at

by janto 5y ago

How do you get any scientific field to agree 99.9%? I don't think you could even get these numbers for particle physics. Is science no longer about attempts at falsification? Or is the game derision of those with non-apocalyptic perspectives?

machinerychorus 5y ago
The article explains that they searched 88k peer-reviewed studies.
AlexCoventry 5y ago
You think more than one in a thousand studies particle-physics studies deny the existence of the electron? The studies might disagree around the edges, but I think there's overwhelming consensus on theories for which there's overwhelming evidence.
- janto 5y ago
  The words "deny" and "evidence" cannot be used with scientific models. "deny" presupposes truthfulness of a proposition (a big no-no), and "evidence" is not the same as "absence of falsifying observations".
mrkramer 5y ago
To be honest peer consensus means nothing unfortunately. For example scientific consensus in Medieval Europe was that the Earth is flat. Dogmas are dangerous and I'm afraid this one is very dangerous too.
- mohanmcgeek 5y ago
  Even if what is being pushed turns out to be true, this method sets a very dangerous precedent and the "believe in science" is creating a new religion.
  - LinuxBender 5y ago
    Wikipedia [1] has that covered. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
- heinrich5991 5y ago
  This is incorrect. From https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_common_misconceptions&oldid=1050649045 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_common_mi...: > Medieval Europeans did not believe Earth was flat. Scholars have known the Earth is spherical since at least 500 BC.[179] This myth was created in the 17th century by Protestants to argue against Catholic teachings.[180]
  - mrkramer 5y ago
    But the Church was pushing its Dogma and pressuring scientists to support it. Ofc some scholars knew it.
    - heinrich5991 5y ago
      Can you give a source for your claim? Further from another Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Myth_of_the_flat_Earth&oldid=1048727712 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Myth_of_the_flat_...): According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat Earth darkness' among scholars, regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now. Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[5] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[6]
      - mrkramer 5y ago
        >Can you give a source for your claim? That's what we were taught in school in Europe. I don't know source/s for Church supporting Flat Earth but I know that Medieval Church was supporting Geocentric model and opposing Heliocentric astronomical model. Galileo Galilei was victim of this dogma: "Galileo's championing of Copernican heliocentrism (Earth rotating daily and revolving around the sun) was met with opposition from within the Catholic Church and from some astronomers. The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was foolish, absurd, and heretical since it contradicted Holy Scripture." "Galileo later defended his views in Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems (1632), which appeared to attack Pope Urban VIII and thus alienated both the Pope and the Jesuits, who had both supported Galileo up until this point. He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", and forced to recant. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest."[0] I would need to further research or ask some historians what was Medieval's Church formal(official) and informal(unofficial) opinion on Flat Earth vs Spherical Earth. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

by janto 5y ago

machinerychorus 5y ago

The article explains that they searched 88k peer-reviewed studies.

AlexCoventry 5y ago

You think more than one in a thousand studies particle-physics studies deny the existence of the electron? The studies might disagree around the edges, but I think there's overwhelming consensus on theories for which there's overwhelming evidence.

janto 5y ago
The words "deny" and "evidence" cannot be used with scientific models. "deny" presupposes truthfulness of a proposition (a big no-no), and "evidence" is not the same as "absence of falsifying observations".

mrkramer 5y ago

To be honest peer consensus means nothing unfortunately. For example scientific consensus in Medieval Europe was that the Earth is flat. Dogmas are dangerous and I'm afraid this one is very dangerous too.

mohanmcgeek 5y ago
Even if what is being pushed turns out to be true, this method sets a very dangerous precedent and the "believe in science" is creating a new religion.
- LinuxBender 5y ago
  Wikipedia [1] has that covered. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
heinrich5991 5y ago
This is incorrect. From https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_common_misconceptions&oldid=1050649045 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_common_mi...: > Medieval Europeans did not believe Earth was flat. Scholars have known the Earth is spherical since at least 500 BC.[179] This myth was created in the 17th century by Protestants to argue against Catholic teachings.[180]
- mrkramer 5y ago
  But the Church was pushing its Dogma and pressuring scientists to support it. Ofc some scholars knew it.
  - heinrich5991 5y ago
    Can you give a source for your claim? Further from another Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Myth_of_the_flat_Earth&oldid=1048727712 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Myth_of_the_flat_...): According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat Earth darkness' among scholars, regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now. Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[5] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[6]
    - mrkramer 5y ago
      >Can you give a source for your claim? That's what we were taught in school in Europe. I don't know source/s for Church supporting Flat Earth but I know that Medieval Church was supporting Geocentric model and opposing Heliocentric astronomical model. Galileo Galilei was victim of this dogma: "Galileo's championing of Copernican heliocentrism (Earth rotating daily and revolving around the sun) was met with opposition from within the Catholic Church and from some astronomers. The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was foolish, absurd, and heretical since it contradicted Holy Scripture." "Galileo later defended his views in Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems (1632), which appeared to attack Pope Urban VIII and thus alienated both the Pope and the Jesuits, who had both supported Galileo up until this point. He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", and forced to recant. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest."[0] I would need to further research or ask some historians what was Medieval's Church formal(official) and informal(unofficial) opinion on Flat Earth vs Spherical Earth. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei