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Google Pixel 6 Launch [video]
- denysvitali 5y agoLol YouTube reports "streamed 1 month ago"
- Bhilai 5y ago> Fingerprint Unlock with under-display fingerprint sensor, Pattern, PIN, password Wait, no face unlock? Thats a dealbreaker.
- paxys 5y agoIf the under-display fingerprint reader actually works then I 100% prefer it over face unlock. Bonus points for not having an ugly notch on top.
- davesque 5y agoReally surprised to hear this. I've had really bad luck with face unlock. I find I have to type in my PIN half the time anyway. On the other hand, with my previous pixel that had a fingerprint reader, I never had any issues with it whatsoever. I think face unlock is a bit of a regression on the part of device makers.
- krzyk 5y agoI have dry hands and fingeprint sensors stop recognizing them aftere about a week (or month if it is summer season) - so it is really frustrating. On the other hand Face Unlock works always (well, unless I wear a mask, then it works just like fingeprint - doesn't). Tried fingeprint sensors on iOS devices and Pixels.
- JacobLinney 5y agoI'm curious why, what does face unlock do for you that fingerprint doesn't? If I'm unlocking my phone, I have my hands on my phone, so using my fingerprint isn't a hassle. Plus with COVID and needing to wear masks, I can still unlock my phone easily without needing to pull down my mask.
- josefresco 5y agoI got sweaty hands and that doesn't work with TouchID. FaceID has been great, well at least until COVID. I'd really prefer both.
- krzyk 5y agoSimilar situation for me (but I have dry hands). Fingerprint sensors stop recognizing after about a week - so I prefer Face Unlock.
- nsriv 5y agoFace Unlock has been an available feature on every Pixel for a while and is present in the latest Android 12 Beta, it's just not depth-sensing because it lacks the hardware that the Pixel 4 and iPhone use, just uses front-facing camera instead and warns you about using it.
- Grazester 5y agoWhere are you getting this from? I have a Pixel 5. It doesn't have face unlock. Only the 4 did!
- hbn 5y agoIt was actually originally announced/demoed on a Galaxy Nexus running ICS back in 2011! They might have removed it at some point after that and added it again for the Pixel 4 since its entire gimmick was the soli sensor https://www.theverge.com/2011/10/18/android-ice-cream-sandwich-feature-face-unlock https://www.theverge.com/2011/10/18/android-ice-cream-sandwi...
- Bhilai 5y agoAh thanks for the note.
- distances 5y agoAll the weak biometrics are disabled in banking apps etc, so you'll still need the fingerprint (or just the PIN code).
- meerita 5y agoI find face unlock amazing. The only situation that sucks is with the mask.
- krzyk 5y agoI think they could make it work even with masks. Just focus on the eye regions. Apple worked on it, don't know if they released it with iPhone 13.
- haunter 5y ago>We aren’t in your country yet. New year, same shit again. I wonder who are the target of these phones really are? Never seen anyone using a Pixel out in the wild Feels like a pet project of Google to me. Like "we make Android so we better make some phones too otherwise people don't take us seriously" idk
- habitue 5y agoI use them, and I've known several other non-google employees who use them. Definitely not as big as Samsung or iPhone but we're out there. Marques Brownlee on YouTube generally gives them good reviews. They're good for the ~vanilla android flavor vs manufacturer skins.
- Bhilai 5y agoI use a Pixel4 and love it. I switched from iPhone and would never go back to using an iPhone again.
- davesque 5y ago> Never seen anyone using a Pixel out in the wild Maybe you just haven't met anyone with one or even noticed people who do own them. I've owned almost every pixel phone. In my opinion, they're some of the best Android phones available with great cameras and less crapware pre-installed.
- buro9 5y agoThe store was down, but these are the links: Overview: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB Buy: https://store.google.com/config/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB https://store.google.com/config/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB Weirdly I kept seeing an internal MOMA login page asking for an @google.com login. So clearly something is broken (I do not work at Google). Edit: Past all of those problems... error R013 when trying to check out. Edit: Oh well... I missed out. Sold out before I got past the R013 error.
- zamadatix 5y agoCertainly a contrast to using the Apple Store yesterday during the M1 Pro/Max device launches. Was amazed that was able to stay up and responsive, 100% expect error screens during launches like this - though not normally from companies who have done so many launches. Edit 1: Store back up now but still getting order errors... Edit 2: An hour after launch, back to having store page errors...
- zamadatix 5y agoEdit 3: Lmao now it says the phone is out of stock. Glad someone was able to order it I guess.
- nostrademons 5y agoNot seeing that anymore. I'm a Google employee but accessing it from a personal device that I've never logged into corp from. Maybe it got fixed?
- Workaccount2 5y agoCheckout is still giving an error (R013)
- cyveris 5y agoSame here, not just you.
- vidoc 5y agoI'm getting a 500 from the get go on store.google.com what a joke!
- colonelxc 5y agoAs a googler, this is pretty embarrassing
- agumonkey 5y agoNah, it's their interpretation of Apple's store being offline before events. Learning years.
- foobarian 5y agoDon't worry, the autoscaler will kick in any minute now.
- vidoc 5y agoI'm now making progress: Error code: R013
- kreetx 5y agoThere was another event page not long ago from google that was undone. E.g the FAQ page for this also looks a bit off. Not sure what is going on there.
- Shadonototra 5y agoBeautiful phone, but the bump in the back... sorry i just can't Who started this camera bump movement the past decade? it's very ugly... and not practical at all..
- reaperducer 5y agoI can't speak to the Google phones, but on the iPhone it serves a purpose. It keeps the back glass from getting scratched all over by turning it into a tripod.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 5y agoHave you ever owned one? It's quite nice actually to be able to rest your finger on the bump for stability when you're using the phone with one hand, and it lets you kind of easily prop the phone up on a wallet/notebook/whatever's around when you're reading something while eating.
- zamadatix 5y agoOn the contrary it's very practical, fits larger cameras and prevents the back of the phone from sliding flat against sharp grains scraping the back and camera glass. It's ugly and annoying though but it's not there just for fun.
- ezequiel-garzon 5y agoI don't like the trend either. My understanding is that camera lenses are just thicker than the phones. The phones could in turn be thicker and provide more battery life (to some extent Apple did that with the iPhone 13), but I guess "the market" just wants thin devices... and powerful cameras.
- lsjvjn 5y agoThe raised camera band is bound to be a controversial design choice.
- codr7 5y agoYeah, last thing I want on my phone is stuff sticking out and preventing it from laying flat. The recent camera bevels are bad enough.
- tomtheelder 5y agoI assume the idea is that most cases will allow the phone to sit flush with the table, and most users use a case (no idea if that last part is actually true). And honestly it will sit in a stable way, so it's probably not that big a deal in that sense. It getting caught on my pocket would probably be my biggest concern!
- r00fus 5y agoIf they have a case that negates the bump it's ok. Though TBH even my 12max case (Otterbox is amazing) has a ridge around the camera bump.
- vadfa 5y agoI don't know why Android OEMs keep thinking they can get away with controversial design choices and high prices as if they were Apple. (not sarcastic :P)
- Grazester 5y agoI remember in the early to mid 2000's when all mobile phones were not the same generic slab of glass and metal/plastic. It was like every phone was "controversial". I miss those design days.
- davesque 5y agoThe thing I think sucks about this design decision is that I always like to have a phone case with a card sleeve on the back. Seems like the camera band makes such cases inconvenient or maybe even impossible to design.
- codr7 5y agoI don't get it, wtf am I supposed to do with the images on the right hand side in the link? I'm not interested in sharing moments, I just want to see a picture of the damn thing without having to watch the stupid video.
- JorgeGT 5y agoI guess they are for journalists etc.? Like a live press pack?
- nicoburns 5y agoWow. The marketing team for this have been taking very detailed notes on Apples presentation style. Products aside, this is almost identical to Apple's launch yesterday.
- systemvoltage 5y agoAwkward people standing with shoulder width apart because the studio director told them so. Let people stand the way they feel comfortable. Tim Cook yesterday appeared like his feet are glued to the ground in the process of squatting. Naturally people never stand with feet this far apart. But the trend continues and shitty directors at Apple don’t get it. This type of production gets zero points from me. It’s just terrible.
- justicezyx 5y agoGood move though. When I was at Google the cloud unit, there is always a vibe that "we are the best" without much substantiated from the products and etc. At least they realize that something better is done for the phone department. Although I guess it's so much more obvious than cloud.
- agumonkey 5y agoI'm getting so jaded about these new ideas. ML/DL and 'perfecting' pictures .. seems so misguided. People are obsessed by looking at the finger in 8k.
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- behnamoh 5y agoAs much as I love Android, the way Google introduces pixels is just sad, esp. when you think about the time and effort that Apple put into their event.
- progbits 5y agoI agree, but think of it this way: Apple needs their devices to sell in order to not go broke. Google doesn't - Pixels sales are a blip on the accounting sheet. They do indirectly increase value of the Android ecosystem by providing new features and benchmark for other manufacturers to copy, but it is not essential.
- mdoms 5y agoCould they have made this presentation any more dull?
- decebalus1 5y agoWho writes the copy for these things? Are they outsourcing these, adapting to the audience or am I part of the dumbed down flight? 'The best', 'our most powerful', 'The most advanced', 'Most hardware security', 'most light ever', 'most fluent', 'most layers of hardware'. Seriously? EDIT: This felt familiar, apparently I noticed something similar in the previous launch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24641965 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24641965
- progbits 5y agoThis is just how product announcements look these days. I want to say this was popularized by Apple but I don't have a source on that. If you doubt that, here are some quotes from Apple's new product pages from yesterday: 'most powerful', 'scary fast', 'scary faster', 'best display ever', 'super fluid' Not to mention the product names: 'pro' vs 'max', 'liquid retina', ... Yet I don't see people complain about those.
- decebalus1 5y agoOh, I didn't see those (I currently could not care less about Apple products). Good point, they're all bad.
- neogodless 5y agoTensor has a 20-core GPU. Are cores the main thing to count? So that's better than an M1 Pro with a measly 16-cores? /s
- oriolid 5y agoIt's 4 more. How could less be more? More is more!
- Miner49er 5y agoNot sure why the /s? Cores are the main thing for GPU's right?
- neogodless 5y agoYes - critically, though, a Tensor core and an M1 GPU core are not equal or directly comparable.
- kllrnohj 5y agoNo, because there's no definition of a "GPU core". Vendors just pick a random layer of their GPU and call it a core. Whether or not it makes any sense as being called a "core" or being comparable in any way isn't a goal of anyone's. Really they aren't even comparable across a single vendor (the capabilities of a single "SP" on an Nvidia GPU has drastically shifted over the years - and not always in the "more capable" direction) At best you can roughly compare GPUs from the same generation from the same family (eg, M1 Pro vs. M1 Max). But that's about it, and even that can be deceptive (most commonly in desktop GPUs where other differences can drastically alter scaling across differing "core" counts)
- buildbot 5y agoAs others have said, core is not a well defined term at all in computer architecture. Is a core something that has its own program counter? Does it need its own floating point unit to count as a core? What about cores that only do a few ops? Are the cores even all the same, or do they have access to the same resources? For example, a few older Nvidia GPUS have some portion of their cores that have only a single crossbar port, and so perform much worse. The M1 gpu core could very well be equivalent or better than 16 tensor soc cores internally.
- mrtksn 5y agoDoes anyone knows about the state of the futuristic AI features from Google? I recall a presentation about AI phone assistant that was ordering something on the phone and it was indistinguishable from a human, handling edge cases flawlessly. Are people using AI assistants to make them book places or order things on the phone?
- Drew_ 5y agoI've seen the option to call using Assistant a couple times on Google Maps though I've never given it a try.
- bradstewart 5y agoI can definitively say the real-time language translation they demoed on the original Pixel Buds was complete vaporware (and the last time I bought a newly released Google product). I have yet to get the AI assistant to book anything for me. The only related function I do use is the call screening piece, but that's hardly AI...
- rvz 5y ago> Does anyone knows about the state of the futuristic AI features from Google? Well, it's getting scarier by the second. For example, 'Magic Eraser' was a requested feature by Stalin. You cannot believe any image on the internet anymore these days. This time it is getting much worse.
- rvz 5y agoIt's just been admitted. Fuchsia/Zircon is going to be optimised to run on Google Tensor chips most likely this decade. I'll probably end up linking this comment in a few years.
- Grazester 5y agoGoogle's OS will be optimised for their hardware. What a radical idea!
- rvz 5y ago> What a radical idea! Exactly. Wonder why they didn't do it in the first place and why the reason Fuchsia had to exist? I guess we'll never know. /s [0] [1] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17568335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17568335 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27280567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27280567
- dzader 5y agothis is the single worst product launch I've ever seen on all fronts from the terrible video to the store being down for a half hour and still down
- 5350-uiop-1130 5y agoNot a fan of the design of the Pixel or iPhone. They both have these cold, sterile design that doesn't look like it was designed to be used and held by a human hand. It was designed to be looked at or for curated display in an Apple Store. And what's with all the flat design, we need skeumorphism and warmth back in industrial and UI design. I prefer the soap bar design which seems to have been forgotten. And no more glass backs please. I don't get the appeal of glass, they shatter so easily, finger print magnets and just add unnecessary weight.
- dzhiurgis 5y ago> shatter so easily, finger print magnets and just add unnecessary weight. Only weight is valid statement. Matte glass on iPhone is unbreakable.
- dreamer7 5y agoAs someone famous on YouTube says - "Glass is glass. And glass breaks"
- satvikpendem 5y agoUnbreakable? I highly doubt that.
- 5350-uiop-1130 5y agoI have an iPhone X that would disagree with you :D Dropped it from pocket height and is completely shattered.
- melony 5y agoThey are also meant to fit well in a case.
- threatofrain 5y agoIf you're trying to build a look and feel which many other developers will follow then it has to be neutral in some way, something which can rely on minimal color + branding to build adequate distinction for the many companies who are to be in your ecosystem.
- behnamoh 5y agodoes anyone know why 12 out of 13 photos on this website show only black people? Is Google tailoring to a specific segment of the market?
- bitdivision 5y agoThey're emphasizing how inclusive the camera is, was one of the segments on the video. Historically some smartphone cameras have done poorly with brightness / saturation of darker skin tones I believe.
- vidoc 5y agoThe "equitable" camera is akin to a SNL skid.
- AshleyGrant 5y agoNot just smartphone cameras. This issue goes back to the days of film. Color film was historically designed to capture white skin tones while darker skin tones were compressed in to "brown/black."
- lm28469 5y agoComing from google PR machine it's obviously being strongly ideological. They're so full of their twisted vision of diversity that it turns into some kind of anti logic, as you noticed it's becoming the literal opposite of diversity
- qkqk 5y agoThat or the art director thought it communicated the brand effectively. > the literal opposite of diversity Were you worried we'd think it was the figurative opposite if you didn't say "literal?"
- behnamoh 5y agoThat's what I thought too. They're clearly over compensating for their history of algorithmic bias against blacks. And this attitude about diversity is unfortunately ruining universities and companies. I don't give a flying rat about people's color, as long as they don't use it as a tool to make others believe they're being treated differetnly.
- hu3 5y agoThey bumped support to 5 years, interesting. Short support duration is a common complaint from Android users.
- Workaccount2 5y agoIts historically because qualcomm cuts support so you have to buy new phone, new chips.
- whichquestion 5y agoIn the fine print (footnote #28) it says 3 years of feature updates. https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6_pro?hl=en-GB [EDIT] On https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 it says, "Guaranteed Android version updates until at least: October 2024" and "Guaranteed security updates until at least: October 2026" for Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro
- bobviolier 5y agoSecurity updates are 5 years. At least that's what the launch video said.
- thallavajhula 5y agoI am really liking the "Shareable moments" sidebar on the right. Such a cool idea and it's so smooth along with the right types of media (gif, png, video)
- moneycantbuy 5y agoGoogle employees look so sad and defeated like forced to read a script in a hostage video
- throwawaysea 5y agoWhat’s the differentiation against an iPhone? Presumably both phones are fast and take great photos and have an app ecosystem. But the iPhone is likely faster, probably has longer battery, and will last longer as a phone - I know people using Apple phones several generations old and still getting security updates. Apple also offers better privacy and their built in services like Maps are really good now. If I were Google what I would do is make a more open phone. One with side loading, customization, repairability, and transparency as first class considerations. Otherwise it all comes off as a second class offering that’s just like anything else.
- silicon2401 5y agoIf it's cheaper and not apple, that's enough for me. I hate iOS and just need a cheap and reasonably reliable phone. the pixel 4a was great last year and when I need another new phone in 4-5 years, I'll go for whatever's not apple and cheap
- AlexCoventry 5y agoIs Android scanning for suspicious photos on my phone to upload them for scrutiny by some underpaid contractor? That's a big differentiator, for me.
- throwawaysea 5y agoGoogle violates more of our privacy than probably any other company, including Facebook. Their entire business is built off of sophisticated and pervasive Internet-wide tracking. Apple may have made a slight misstep but nothing on the same scale.
- dmitrygr 5y agoGoogle photos backups i on by default and scans server side (Admittedly better than doing it client side)
- Drew_ 5y agoGoogle Photos backup is definitely opt-in.
- vidoc 5y agoAnyone knows if having some items in the basket while being unable to complete the order somehow guarantees a certain spot in the queue on store.google.com? I want this phone badly, I want to be part of this inclusive camera experience, but due to systemic issues in the ordering process, I am still unable to checkout.
- dayfa1r 5y agoI have a feeling it does. It seems the basket is stored serverside. I tried logging in on different devices/sessions and basket was there despite not having any shared cookies. Fingers crossed.
- vidoc 5y agoAwesome awesome! I'm seeing some progress, it seems quicker and quicker to land on this R013 page. Fingers crossed!
- ChrisArchitect 5y agointeresting, don't really disagree with the comment about the form factor of pixel and iphone being cold/sterile (although it's been for so many years now kinda used to it and don't really notice) -- however, one thing that occurred to me on this launch is how much the software has a human feel/push from Google. The colours and theme shifting - giving your device, the UI, that personal feel which is really what makes it yours in the day-to-day (big customization/wallpaper/launcher fan here, always has been the Android advantage), and many human elements from inclusive photography to translation and things about people connecting - I appreciated that approach.
- hardwaregeek 5y agoNot a huge fan of the Geordi La Forge band. Feels...bulky. In general I'm a little baffled at the Pixel's aesthetic vs the iPhone. Like take the corners on the Pixel. They're weirdly small and sharp, making the phone seem a lot more blocky. Or how the lime green doesn't go quite as well with the pastel turquoise back. Say what you will about Apple's products, they get a lot of these details right.
- mongol 5y agoGood call-interacting features there. I hope some day my phone can answer calls from spammers and tell them to f** off.
- lapetitejort 5y agoUnfortunately the AI listening to Google's AI will detect the tone and intended sentence and hang up before the first F can finish.
- causi 5y agoWhy do manufacturers have to trap the good features like telephoto lenses on devices with bent screens? I don't like having the first letter of every line doing the lean-back. I don't like having to find the one exact body angle that keeps glare off the screen.
- sto_hristo 5y agoLove the back design of the phone, symmetry is always good. Finally one can put their on the table and tap on it without making a noise to hell and beyond. But this presentation, with the potato chips 1 hour long ad... and i can see that more effort went for the video than the engineering effort of the phone with that amazing selection of genders, skin color and ethnicity, not to mention the sexual orientations of the actors. And that not taking into consideration the order in which to present them - imagine the wars that were waged in the planning room.
- Enginerrrd 5y agoYeah... plus, I don't know why, but the guy in the video immediately made my skin crawl, which continued throughout the whole video to the point where it was hard to pay attention to anything but how viscerally my body wanted to reject anything this guy said.
- daptaq 5y agoI was looking around to buy a new phone, and the Pixel 5a seemed very nice. The design is clean, the screen may be big but the battery is bigger, and it works with Graphene OS! I just want a boring phone that will work. But they decided to sell it only in the US and Japan. Apparently one of the reasons for this decision was to not distract away from the Pixel 6. Now the only option I have left is to maybe buy a Pixel 4a from last year, if want a normal looking phone.
- Odi_Odi 5y agoGoogle has removed the phone from my cart multiple times now, saying it is sold out.
- RyanHakurei 5y agoLmao fuck this shit. I HAD a 256GB model in my cart for like an hour but checkout would lead to R013. THEN they decided they're going to wipe everyone's car and now every one except the 128GB black model is sold out. Cool so I add that one to my cart and even when I get past a new error, R008, the final "confirm purchase" button is spitting out an error. Goddamn scalping scum.
- bigwavedave 5y agoOn the off chance anyone else is wondering, there are plans for grapheneOS support, but they will likely wait for the first quarterly major update to Android 12: https://mobile.twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1444081794769375233 https://mobile.twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/144408179476937...
- notyourday 5y agoDear Google. Let me provide you the solution to your self-created problems. 1. Make products that work. 2. Make sure that your website does not crash when someone tries to order your product. 3. Make sure you do not allow to customers to put more devices into the carts than you can ship. This has been a solved problem for at least a decade. You may want to outsource this to Shopify as your software engineers clearly can't figure out how to build ecommerce platforms that actually work.
- dylan-m 5y ago4. Please don't buy Shopify. They don't have a messaging app.
- smarx007 5y agoWill app developers get access to the Tensor chip? Will all the features of the phone and the Titan M2 chip still work with another Android build like grapheneOS or LineageOS? I don't think those were covered in the video.
- KuiN 5y ago> Will app developers get access to the Tensor chip? I think this is another classic bit of Google branding. Tensor is their custom SoC with CPU, GPU and an ML co-processor (think this was codenamed Whitechapel). Not the ML processor itself. Whereas Google's Tensor Processing Unit is a large scale ML accelerator. Why they've decided to use the same name for two totally different chips with different functions is anyone's guess.
- vidoc 5y agoFor what it's worth, I had this thing in my basket since 10-ish pacific, during all this time, i was stuck at the order checkout 'comfirm purchase' step. In google fashion, it'd fail in very diverse ways: 1) mostly 'OR_PCVH_01' "unexpected error occured". 2) sometimes a troika of codes with the label "your purchase has expired". This would be ~5% of the time. 3) sometimes no error at all, just a blank page. I was rather afraid to attempt going back to 'store.google.com' to checkout my cart again and find the items sold out, but I courageously overcame my fears and decided to stand up for myself. Consumer me went ahead, created a new tab, clicked the basket and pressed 'checkout'. And after the one or two 'OR_PCVH_01' and some blank page, boom, it went through. Long story short, i suspect that error message 2 is misleading in what it means. It doesn't mean 'try to click this comfirm purchase' button later, it means try to "checkout your cart again".
- parags3 5y agoI've been trying all afternoon periodically and it finally went through!! Perhaps they've fixed their shit
- EastOfTruth 5y agoWhy the black gay people hugging everywhere? trying to be politically correct? It's funny that almost right after I wrote this comment, I came across this article: Google Quietly Tweaks Image Search for Racially Diverse Results -> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-19/google-quietly-tweaks-image-search-for-racially-diverse-results https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-19/google-qu...
- singularity2001 5y agoblack gay guy, HE / HIM
- roland35 5y agoI am still rocking my Pixel 3, which for me is the perfect size. I just don't see much need to upgrade much anymore, the pixel 3 has a nice screen, decent hacker news browsing experience, and wireless charging. I'll keep an eye out for a black Friday deal but otherwise I will keep my phone for now.