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This is good. We should be training more people directly from age 15/16 for direct entry to the workforce. University should be only suggested to the top 20% o

This is good. We should be training more people directly from age 15/16 for direct entry to the workforce. University should be only suggested to the top 20% of each yearly cohort, and senior highschool to the top 50%.

pavel_lishin 5y ago
Why those numbers?
- varjag 5y ago
  Yeah. Make it 2% instead of 20%, and suddenly 90% of people suggesting it start complaining.
gruez 5y ago
>University should be only suggested to the top 20% of each yearly cohort, and senior highschool to the top 50%. that's going to be politically suicide to implement.
- germinalphrase 5y ago
  It would be more palatable to offer free university tuition to the top 20 percent (which has been true many places in the past and is still a thing in some places). my father went to high school in rural Illinois in the late 60’s. He got a full ride “hardship grant” simply because he was a decent (not exceptional) student and came from a poor farming family.
- Chris2048 5y ago
  To be fair, the problem isn't the people not going to Uni, it's the chasm that exists in-between. A decent investment in trade-schools/polytechs and it wouldn't matter so much. But then, the UK fcked over a lot of its trades to become a "service economy", so who knows.
njharman 5y ago
"Entry to the workforce" is not a goal. It is a failure of society to force people to labor for ~half their waking hours just to exist.
- thehappypm 5y ago
  In my opinion people really should have jobs. Our ancestors didn't sit around all day. They had "jobs" like hunting and gathering. Jobs and careers give people structure and meaning to their lives; a kid being a trucker is probably better for his mental health than having no job and just being a UBI recipient.
  - pavel_lishin 5y ago
    Why does the thing from which we derive meaning have to be a job? Why can't UBI recipients create art, have hobbies, meaningfully interact with their community during their day? Our ancestors didn't sit around - they did all those things, too, and those things also gave them structure and meaning.
    - thehappypm 5y ago
      I think hobbies are distinctly different from careers. I suck at golf. If I had UBI I might golf all day. I’d still suck. I think you need something that fits your skills that makes you feel like you’re contributing

pavel_lishin 5y ago

Why those numbers?

varjag 5y ago
Yeah. Make it 2% instead of 20%, and suddenly 90% of people suggesting it start complaining.

gruez 5y ago

>University should be only suggested to the top 20% of each yearly cohort, and senior highschool to the top 50%. that's going to be politically suicide to implement.

germinalphrase 5y ago
It would be more palatable to offer free university tuition to the top 20 percent (which has been true many places in the past and is still a thing in some places). my father went to high school in rural Illinois in the late 60’s. He got a full ride “hardship grant” simply because he was a decent (not exceptional) student and came from a poor farming family.
Chris2048 5y ago
To be fair, the problem isn't the people not going to Uni, it's the chasm that exists in-between. A decent investment in trade-schools/polytechs and it wouldn't matter so much. But then, the UK fcked over a lot of its trades to become a "service economy", so who knows.

njharman 5y ago

"Entry to the workforce" is not a goal. It is a failure of society to force people to labor for ~half their waking hours just to exist.

thehappypm 5y ago
In my opinion people really should have jobs. Our ancestors didn't sit around all day. They had "jobs" like hunting and gathering. Jobs and careers give people structure and meaning to their lives; a kid being a trucker is probably better for his mental health than having no job and just being a UBI recipient.
- pavel_lishin 5y ago
  Why does the thing from which we derive meaning have to be a job? Why can't UBI recipients create art, have hobbies, meaningfully interact with their community during their day? Our ancestors didn't sit around - they did all those things, too, and those things also gave them structure and meaning.
  - thehappypm 5y ago
    I think hobbies are distinctly different from careers. I suck at golf. If I had UBI I might golf all day. I’d still suck. I think you need something that fits your skills that makes you feel like you’re contributing