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Germany supposedly does not have a central registry, I've been informed.

MonkeyClub 5y ago
Because of (political) federation I assume, right? However are the regional governments supposed to develop their own solutions, or are they using a centrally developed database, just with local unconnected instances?
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  "Contrary to popular belief, there is no central administration of resident registration in Germany. The exception is the registration of resident aliens (see Central Register of Foreign Nationals). Registration is organized by 5283 local offices throughout Germany.[18] " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_registration#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_registration#Germany I was also told something on identity cards only lives on the cards, but cannot find the source or details on that.
- germanier 5y ago
  Each municipality is free to choose their own solution to the legal requirements (which includes a standardized API). For the moment, there are eight different software solutions on the market (developed by both public and private entities), see https://www1.osci.de/meldewesen/xmeld/registrierte-hersteller-2286 https://www1.osci.de/meldewesen/xmeld/registrierte-herstelle...
Semaphor 5y ago
Source? Even the Addresses (Melderegister) are centralized. edit: Looking it up [0] it looks like there is far more data there, all in a central database since at least 2015 (not sure how it worked before). [0]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melderegister#Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melderegister#Deutschland
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  It's been a little while, so perhaps things have changed, but I was told that quite a bit of the data exists only on the card itself. From your link it seems i was not entirely misinformed: "Contrary to popular belief, there is no central administration of resident registration in Germany. The exception is the registration of resident aliens (see Central Register of Foreign Nationals). Registration is organized by 5283 local offices throughout Germany.[18] " I'm unable to find the part about cards. will edit or reply more if i do find it.
  - Semaphor 5y ago
    Looking into it again, it appears the residential registration is indeed decentralized, but most of that data seems to still be saved in a central database thanks to Abgabenordnung § 139b [0]. There is something about sharing that information, but I can’t say I understand the legalese ;) [0]: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ao_1977/__139b.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ao_1977/__139b.html
- germanier 5y ago
  There is no central database, even after the changes of 2015. It is still hosted by each individual municipality (which is exactly what your link states). However, there here is a standard API which allows some entities to query all those decentralized registers. It is designed to make it hard to siphon out all data at once (which hopefully trips audit systems in enough places that someone cares to look into). The only centralized database of that kind is the one at BZSt, which contains far less data. For the moment access is limited to tax-related issues but it will be soon expanded to a centralized base data registry (Registermodernisierung).
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    What's in the BZSt?

Because of (political) federation I assume, right? However are the regional governments supposed to develop their own solutions, or are they using a centrally developed database, just with local unconnected instances?

inter_netuser 5y ago
"Contrary to popular belief, there is no central administration of resident registration in Germany. The exception is the registration of resident aliens (see Central Register of Foreign Nationals). Registration is organized by 5283 local offices throughout Germany.[18] " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_registration#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_registration#Germany I was also told something on identity cards only lives on the cards, but cannot find the source or details on that.
germanier 5y ago
Each municipality is free to choose their own solution to the legal requirements (which includes a standardized API). For the moment, there are eight different software solutions on the market (developed by both public and private entities), see https://www1.osci.de/meldewesen/xmeld/registrierte-hersteller-2286 https://www1.osci.de/meldewesen/xmeld/registrierte-herstelle...

Semaphor 5y ago

Source? Even the Addresses (Melderegister) are centralized. edit: Looking it up [0] it looks like there is far more data there, all in a central database since at least 2015 (not sure how it worked before). [0]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melderegister#Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melderegister#Deutschland

inter_netuser 5y ago
It's been a little while, so perhaps things have changed, but I was told that quite a bit of the data exists only on the card itself. From your link it seems i was not entirely misinformed: "Contrary to popular belief, there is no central administration of resident registration in Germany. The exception is the registration of resident aliens (see Central Register of Foreign Nationals). Registration is organized by 5283 local offices throughout Germany.[18] " I'm unable to find the part about cards. will edit or reply more if i do find it.
- Semaphor 5y ago
  Looking into it again, it appears the residential registration is indeed decentralized, but most of that data seems to still be saved in a central database thanks to Abgabenordnung § 139b [0]. There is something about sharing that information, but I can’t say I understand the legalese ;) [0]: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ao_1977/__139b.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ao_1977/__139b.html
germanier 5y ago
There is no central database, even after the changes of 2015. It is still hosted by each individual municipality (which is exactly what your link states). However, there here is a standard API which allows some entities to query all those decentralized registers. It is designed to make it hard to siphon out all data at once (which hopefully trips audit systems in enough places that someone cares to look into). The only centralized database of that kind is the one at BZSt, which contains far less data. For the moment access is limited to tax-related issues but it will be soon expanded to a centralized base data registry (Registermodernisierung).
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  What's in the BZSt?