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How Facebook Hides How Terrible It Is with Hate Speech

16 points by ColinWright 5y ago

andrewclunn 5y ago
Facebook is the whipping boy for the establishment media and other tech organizations because... it doesn't censor enough? Oh, more likely because it's a closed ecosystem that is seperate from, rather than integrated into the other ad driven web model businesses, and is in fact competitive with it. Doesn't mean Facebook is "the good guy," but who still believes the motivations behind these attacks are protecting people?
mnw21cam 5y ago
In other words, around 5% of hate messages were actioned. Of those 5%, about 4% were identified by AI, and 1% by responding to direct reports of abuse.
sleepysysadmin 5y ago
Hate Speech != bigotry. Hate Speech = Speech the people in power hate. Which may include bigotry right now, but maybe not later.
- was8309 5y ago
  Are you arguing that there is no real hate speech?
  - sleepysysadmin 5y ago
    >Are you arguing that there is no real hate speech? Do you mean bigotry? Everyone agrees we need to end bigotry. When we find a valid solution to that problem we will implement it. Hate speech is not bigotry. The definition of hate speech is speech that someone hates. Your 1 sentence could be considered hate speech by some group. Should you be prevented from saying it?
    - was8309 5y ago
      What concerns me is that not everyone agrees that we need to end bigotry, but if you and I agree on that one point, then great. Thanks
      - sleepysysadmin 5y ago
        >What concerns me is that not everyone agrees that we need to end bigotry, but if you and I agree on that one point, then great. Thanks If you drill down into the worst bigots, you will break them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw Bigotry is over, we know the solution. Today is the least bigoted day in the history of north america. What you are experiencing and why you think bigotry hasn't ended is the false narrative. It's a narrative in which intersectionalists are pushing. The end goal is not equality or egalitarianism but rather creating a new caste system where they are at the top.
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- sleepysysadmin 5y ago
  Why does the media hate the speech on facebook? That's the place revealing their lies.
finite_jest 5y ago
I think the article is a bit deceptive, and quite unfair and one-sided in general. (Though it is correct in pointing out that Zuckerberg uses his metrics strategically.) For example, here's a quote used in the article: "We may action as little as 3-5% of hate … on Facebook." The more complete version of the quote (from [1]) is this: > "we estimate that we may action as little as 3-5% of hate and about 6-tenths of 1% of V & I [violence and incitement] on Facebook despite being the best in the world at it." So Wired has removed the slightly positive part for expedience and narrative cohesion. [1]: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/10/03/facebook_whistleblower_facebook_knew_content_algorithm_contributed_to_more_divisiveness.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/10/03/facebook_...
- cudgy 5y ago
  Best in the world at it compared to whom? Twitter? A few other companies that suck at this as well?

16 points by ColinWright 5y ago

Facebook is the whipping boy for the establishment media and other tech organizations because... it doesn't censor enough? Oh, more likely because it's a closed ecosystem that is seperate from, rather than integrated into the other ad driven web model businesses, and is in fact competitive with it. Doesn't mean Facebook is "the good guy," but who still believes the motivations behind these attacks are protecting people?

mnw21cam 5y ago

In other words, around 5% of hate messages were actioned. Of those 5%, about 4% were identified by AI, and 1% by responding to direct reports of abuse.

sleepysysadmin 5y ago

Hate Speech != bigotry. Hate Speech = Speech the people in power hate. Which may include bigotry right now, but maybe not later.

was8309 5y ago
Are you arguing that there is no real hate speech?
- sleepysysadmin 5y ago
  >Are you arguing that there is no real hate speech? Do you mean bigotry? Everyone agrees we need to end bigotry. When we find a valid solution to that problem we will implement it. Hate speech is not bigotry. The definition of hate speech is speech that someone hates. Your 1 sentence could be considered hate speech by some group. Should you be prevented from saying it?
  - was8309 5y ago
    What concerns me is that not everyone agrees that we need to end bigotry, but if you and I agree on that one point, then great. Thanks
    - sleepysysadmin 5y ago
      >What concerns me is that not everyone agrees that we need to end bigotry, but if you and I agree on that one point, then great. Thanks If you drill down into the worst bigots, you will break them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw Bigotry is over, we know the solution. Today is the least bigoted day in the history of north america. What you are experiencing and why you think bigotry hasn't ended is the false narrative. It's a narrative in which intersectionalists are pushing. The end goal is not equality or egalitarianism but rather creating a new caste system where they are at the top.
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sleepysysadmin 5y ago
Why does the media hate the speech on facebook? That's the place revealing their lies.

finite_jest 5y ago

I think the article is a bit deceptive, and quite unfair and one-sided in general. (Though it is correct in pointing out that Zuckerberg uses his metrics strategically.) For example, here's a quote used in the article: "We may action as little as 3-5% of hate … on Facebook." The more complete version of the quote (from [1]) is this: > "we estimate that we may action as little as 3-5% of hate and about 6-tenths of 1% of V & I [violence and incitement] on Facebook despite being the best in the world at it." So Wired has removed the slightly positive part for expedience and narrative cohesion. [1]: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/10/03/facebook_whistleblower_facebook_knew_content_algorithm_contributed_to_more_divisiveness.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/10/03/facebook_...

cudgy 5y ago
Best in the world at it compared to whom? Twitter? A few other companies that suck at this as well?