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Florida has way more older people per Capita which are more vulnerable to Covid. So that accounts for the deaths. But why are new cases so low in a place with

Florida has way more older people per Capita which are more vulnerable to Covid. So that accounts for the deaths. But why are new cases so low in a place with very few vaccinated and no Covid restrictions? You would think they would be sky high!

dragonwriter 5y ago
> > Florida had more than double the per capita deaths than California during the delta wave. > Florida has way more older people per Capita which are more vulnerable to Covid. > So that accounts for the deaths. No, it doesn't. Florida has less than a time and a half the 65+ population share that California has; while it might account for a higher death rate, it doesn't account for a more than double death rate, and it especially doesn’t explain an even greater discrepancy in the death:case rate than the death:population rate. > But why are new cases so low in a place with very few vaccinated and no Covid restrictions? Because COVID precautions (vaccination, voluntary testing without hospitalization, etc.) are mutually correlated, and so Florida has less likelihood of detecting cases that don't involve hospitalization; it also means cases that eventually require hospitalization are detected later with less early intervention. Which explains why Florida has, compared to other states, a low detected case rate, but a middle of the road hospitalization rate, and a very high death rate.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  Florida has the second highest per Capita number of old people in the country. California is one of the lowest at number 45. So while you're right...by not using per Capita numbers... you're presenting your data in a very disengenuous and truth distorting way. Its like saying India has more old people than Burbank. Well yeah no shit.. India has a billion people. You claim less testing is the reason? That's a simple fix..look at positivity rate. Should be sky high if all the testing is coming from FL hospitals as you claim and also eliminates variations in testing numbers. Guess what STILL less than California. Guess what positivity rate at the BOTTOM of all states. Here's actual references instead of just whatever feels good to say. Could the natural immune system not be an Alex Jones conspiracy after all???!!!!! https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest...
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    > Florida has the second highest per Capita number of old people in the country This isn’t a great excuse for Florida’s death rate. Maine has the highest per capita elderly population in the US and the 3rd lowest COVID death rate. Sure it’s got a lower population density, however: 25% of elderly (65+) Americans live in Florida, Texas and California. California had 1/2 the death rate of Florida and 3/4 that of Texas. All warm climates, all high population density. The only difference was California’s restrictions and higher vaccination rate. It’s hard to see how Florida’s policy was more effective, particularly with regard to protecting its elderly.
    - nickthemagicman 5y ago
      >>The only difference was California’s restrictions and higher vaccination rate False. We literally just went over this... Florida is the second oldest state in the country and the oldest with a high population density which means it's old people stacked on old people. California is the fifth youngest state in the country, so there's a level of herd immunity already existing there as young people under 55 are virtually untouched by Covid.(more people died of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group in the entire pandemic) Its been clear from the start that this disease is bimodal and kills old people at a shockingly high rate and the under 55 at a shockingly low rate. Old people are the difference... not vaccinations (which don't work that well,see Colin Powell/ Ireland/this paper) or restrictions. But it's better to avoid this fact because it calls your narrative under question and makes it less certain why you injected experimental substances in your body in the first place. All of this was to save Granny remember?
      - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
        >False To quote the article you shared above: "About 52 million Americans are age 65 or older, according to the Census Bureau’s 2018 population estimates. One quarter of these older Americans live in one of three states: California, Florida, and Texas." There are large elderly populations in all three states. Florida may have more elderly per capita than California, but not 2X more. However they did have twice the death rate. Elderly population alone does not explain the poor performance of Florida's COVID policy. >California is the fifth youngest state in the country, so there's a level of herd immunity already existing there as young people under 55 are virtually untouched by Covid. Again, this point doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Texas is the 3rd youngest state in the US, with a median age of 35 (California is 5th, with a median age of 37). California had <3/4 the death rate of Texas. >more people died of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group in the entire pandemic I don't know what point you are making here. Accidents are the 3rd leading cause of death for Americans after heart disease and cancer. Certainly not an insignificant amount, and all 50 state governments go to great lengths to reduce them. > Colin Powell It is widely known that Gen. Powell had multiple myeloma, which hobbles the immune system and makes all vaccines less effective. Why omit this? It is almost as though you are trying to cherry pick anecdotal evidence to support a deeply-held, quasi-religious belief that people are overreacting about COVID. >All of this was to save Granny remember? If that's true then Florida has clearly failed. Common sense dictates that the state which takes more precautions against COVID will have fewer cases and deaths. If you believe that the inconvenience of the restrictions is not worth the lives saved just say that. You've not made the case that they are ineffective.
jasonlaramburu 5y ago
> But why are new cases so low As common sense would dictate, it’s because enough people have either gotten delta or gotten the vaccine. Florida had the highest per capita death rate during Delta. Hard to see how their approach was a success.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  You have no evidence for that. Florida has the highest per Capita elderly population in the U.S. except for Maine who has way less population density. Having a larger population of people who die from the virus means you're going to have more people who die from the virus. Its what common sense would dictate.
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    Let's look at it another way just for fun. 40,689 Floridians over age 65 have died of COVID [1]. If Florida had the same % of over 65 residents as California does (14.3%) [2], we would expect to see 28,245 >age 65 deaths in Florida. This would give Florida an overall COVID death rate of 201 deaths per 100,000 people. This is still higher than the actual overall death rate in California (179 deaths per 100,00 people)[3]. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se... [2] https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest... [3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...

dragonwriter 5y ago

> > Florida had more than double the per capita deaths than California during the delta wave. > Florida has way more older people per Capita which are more vulnerable to Covid. > So that accounts for the deaths. No, it doesn't. Florida has less than a time and a half the 65+ population share that California has; while it might account for a higher death rate, it doesn't account for a more than double death rate, and it especially doesn’t explain an even greater discrepancy in the death:case rate than the death:population rate. > But why are new cases so low in a place with very few vaccinated and no Covid restrictions? Because COVID precautions (vaccination, voluntary testing without hospitalization, etc.) are mutually correlated, and so Florida has less likelihood of detecting cases that don't involve hospitalization; it also means cases that eventually require hospitalization are detected later with less early intervention. Which explains why Florida has, compared to other states, a low detected case rate, but a middle of the road hospitalization rate, and a very high death rate.

nickthemagicman 5y ago
Florida has the second highest per Capita number of old people in the country. California is one of the lowest at number 45. So while you're right...by not using per Capita numbers... you're presenting your data in a very disengenuous and truth distorting way. Its like saying India has more old people than Burbank. Well yeah no shit.. India has a billion people. You claim less testing is the reason? That's a simple fix..look at positivity rate. Should be sky high if all the testing is coming from FL hospitals as you claim and also eliminates variations in testing numbers. Guess what STILL less than California. Guess what positivity rate at the BOTTOM of all states. Here's actual references instead of just whatever feels good to say. Could the natural immune system not be an Alex Jones conspiracy after all???!!!!! https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest...
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  > Florida has the second highest per Capita number of old people in the country This isn’t a great excuse for Florida’s death rate. Maine has the highest per capita elderly population in the US and the 3rd lowest COVID death rate. Sure it’s got a lower population density, however: 25% of elderly (65+) Americans live in Florida, Texas and California. California had 1/2 the death rate of Florida and 3/4 that of Texas. All warm climates, all high population density. The only difference was California’s restrictions and higher vaccination rate. It’s hard to see how Florida’s policy was more effective, particularly with regard to protecting its elderly.
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    >>The only difference was California’s restrictions and higher vaccination rate False. We literally just went over this... Florida is the second oldest state in the country and the oldest with a high population density which means it's old people stacked on old people. California is the fifth youngest state in the country, so there's a level of herd immunity already existing there as young people under 55 are virtually untouched by Covid.(more people died of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group in the entire pandemic) Its been clear from the start that this disease is bimodal and kills old people at a shockingly high rate and the under 55 at a shockingly low rate. Old people are the difference... not vaccinations (which don't work that well,see Colin Powell/ Ireland/this paper) or restrictions. But it's better to avoid this fact because it calls your narrative under question and makes it less certain why you injected experimental substances in your body in the first place. All of this was to save Granny remember?
    - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
      >False To quote the article you shared above: "About 52 million Americans are age 65 or older, according to the Census Bureau’s 2018 population estimates. One quarter of these older Americans live in one of three states: California, Florida, and Texas." There are large elderly populations in all three states. Florida may have more elderly per capita than California, but not 2X more. However they did have twice the death rate. Elderly population alone does not explain the poor performance of Florida's COVID policy. >California is the fifth youngest state in the country, so there's a level of herd immunity already existing there as young people under 55 are virtually untouched by Covid. Again, this point doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Texas is the 3rd youngest state in the US, with a median age of 35 (California is 5th, with a median age of 37). California had <3/4 the death rate of Texas. >more people died of car accidents in 2019 than under 55 age group in the entire pandemic I don't know what point you are making here. Accidents are the 3rd leading cause of death for Americans after heart disease and cancer. Certainly not an insignificant amount, and all 50 state governments go to great lengths to reduce them. > Colin Powell It is widely known that Gen. Powell had multiple myeloma, which hobbles the immune system and makes all vaccines less effective. Why omit this? It is almost as though you are trying to cherry pick anecdotal evidence to support a deeply-held, quasi-religious belief that people are overreacting about COVID. >All of this was to save Granny remember? If that's true then Florida has clearly failed. Common sense dictates that the state which takes more precautions against COVID will have fewer cases and deaths. If you believe that the inconvenience of the restrictions is not worth the lives saved just say that. You've not made the case that they are ineffective.

jasonlaramburu 5y ago

> But why are new cases so low As common sense would dictate, it’s because enough people have either gotten delta or gotten the vaccine. Florida had the highest per capita death rate during Delta. Hard to see how their approach was a success.

nickthemagicman 5y ago
You have no evidence for that. Florida has the highest per Capita elderly population in the U.S. except for Maine who has way less population density. Having a larger population of people who die from the virus means you're going to have more people who die from the virus. Its what common sense would dictate.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  Let's look at it another way just for fun. 40,689 Floridians over age 65 have died of COVID [1]. If Florida had the same % of over 65 residents as California does (14.3%) [2], we would expect to see 28,245 >age 65 deaths in Florida. This would give Florida an overall COVID death rate of 201 deaths per 100,000 people. This is still higher than the actual overall death rate in California (179 deaths per 100,00 people)[3]. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se... [2] https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest... [3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...