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I'm from Eastern Europe and the motivation for my post is the way I see friends and coworkers raise their kids. US culture for better and for worse has reach an

I'm from Eastern Europe and the motivation for my post is the way I see friends and coworkers raise their kids. US culture for better and for worse has reach and influence all over the world.

soco 5y ago
I'm from Eastern Europe too and live since half a life in Switzerland. I can tell that the jokes I knew from back there were deemed offensive for local tastes and this is definitely not a consequence of today's changes - they found them offensive also back then (like 25 years ago). Not only jokes but also reactions to daily situations. So maybe what you noticed is not wokeism but just globalization of social norms (I'm sure there's a fancy word for this).
- trabant00 5y ago
  > maybe what you noticed is not wokeism but just globalization of social norms Could it not be the case that these social norms are taken a bit to the extreme? I do not call it wokeism myself since that encourages easy labeling and dismissing of ideas. But I do think it has been taken too far. Profane language and offensive jokes have always been offensive, yes. That is why I called them offensive... They have to be used sparingly and with care. But not being able to use them anywhere anytime is too much. That is my opinion for what it is worth.
vasac 5y ago
Yeah, I have a similar (EE) experience. A few years ago during some discussion about Africa a guy (who apparently turned on his wokeness to 11) called people there African Americans - people who lived all their lives in Africa and have nothing to do with America.
- cafard 5y ago
  That has been going on for a while. At least fifteen years ago, I read an article about the Irish police busting a guy who was doing the Nigerian letter thing out of an internet cafe. The man was described as "African-American", though there was no evidence given in the article that he had ever crossed the Atlantic.
- bsanr2 5y ago
  I don't think this is "wokeness" so much as the centering of American perspectives crossing the streams with reasonable skittishness towards the prospect of referring to black people in an undignified manner (which, frankly, would simply be adding insult to trillion dollar injury). Can't blame white people for wanting to save face.

I'm from Eastern Europe and the motivation for my post is the way I see friends and coworkers raise their kids. US culture for better and for worse has reach and influence all over the world.

soco 5y ago

I'm from Eastern Europe too and live since half a life in Switzerland. I can tell that the jokes I knew from back there were deemed offensive for local tastes and this is definitely not a consequence of today's changes - they found them offensive also back then (like 25 years ago). Not only jokes but also reactions to daily situations. So maybe what you noticed is not wokeism but just globalization of social norms (I'm sure there's a fancy word for this).

trabant00 5y ago
> maybe what you noticed is not wokeism but just globalization of social norms Could it not be the case that these social norms are taken a bit to the extreme? I do not call it wokeism myself since that encourages easy labeling and dismissing of ideas. But I do think it has been taken too far. Profane language and offensive jokes have always been offensive, yes. That is why I called them offensive... They have to be used sparingly and with care. But not being able to use them anywhere anytime is too much. That is my opinion for what it is worth.

vasac 5y ago

Yeah, I have a similar (EE) experience. A few years ago during some discussion about Africa a guy (who apparently turned on his wokeness to 11) called people there African Americans - people who lived all their lives in Africa and have nothing to do with America.

cafard 5y ago
That has been going on for a while. At least fifteen years ago, I read an article about the Irish police busting a guy who was doing the Nigerian letter thing out of an internet cafe. The man was described as "African-American", though there was no evidence given in the article that he had ever crossed the Atlantic.
bsanr2 5y ago
I don't think this is "wokeness" so much as the centering of American perspectives crossing the streams with reasonable skittishness towards the prospect of referring to black people in an undignified manner (which, frankly, would simply be adding insult to trillion dollar injury). Can't blame white people for wanting to save face.