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I read about Mujeres y Compañía (a bookstore which removed the book), and one of the owners said: > It is not news that a specialized bookstore withdraws from

I read about Mujeres y Compañía (a bookstore which removed the book), and one of the owners said: > It is not news that a specialized bookstore withdraws from its fund what does not correspond with its specialization. Does this not put them in an ideologically difficult position? Is it not deemed "transphobic" these days to take a position on whether or not someone is really a woman?

dusted 5y ago
So, there's these people who claim to be multiple persons, sometimes with different genders.. I think the political correctness culture is now ripe for the next step: multiple people of different genders identifying as one single human person with one single gender.
akomtu 5y ago
Trying to catch them in a logical trap? For them, logic is a facade: once you find a hole in it, they'll patch it with something and move on.
- klyrs 5y ago
  Only, this has all the logical soundness of "All cats have legs. Cows have legs, therefore cows are cats"
  - akomtu 5y ago
    That's "their truth" (a quote of some ancient roman official arguing that there's no absolute truth and all he has is "my truth").
chuckee 5y ago
I don't think any of the (real) authors are trans, so it's not ideologically difficult from that perspective. On the other hand, feminism is (nominally) a movement to establish equality of the sexes, and about fighting against gender stereotypes. Men convincingly writing from a female point of view, and publicly presented as women, would seem to me to do exactly that. Fight against writing style/subject stereotypes, and demonstrate how gender is not essential in the act of writing - subverting gender essentialism. If feminist were true to their professed convictions, they should be applauding this book.
- techdragon 5y ago
  Definitely not an expert, but I like learning so anyone with a more nuanced/detailed take please correct/elaborate… If this could be considered “feminist” or not, depends a lot on which “wave” of feminism is setting the conversational agenda. Feminist philosophy has at points in the past been more about “males are bad” than it is today.
mcphage 5y ago
> Does this not put them in an ideologically difficult position? Is it not deemed "transphobic" these days to take a position on whether or not someone is really a woman? Not at all. None of the authors claim to be women, all claim to be men. I’m really not sure why you think there would be a problem.
- yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
  It’s problematic in the same way that being a TERF is problematic. Are you supporting women by protecting women from the encroachment of their space by other women who are apparently not women? Or are you oppressing women by acting as the arbiter of who is really a woman? In this case specifically, three men have identified as a woman in publishing a book, in exactly the same way that women historically have identified as men to circumvent sexism. As far as the modern ideological narrative goes, you are committing transphobic violence by denying the existence of Mola.
  - mcphage 5y ago
    > As far as the modern ideological narrative goes, you are committing transphobic violence by denying the existence of Mola. The simple fact is, you are wrong. The only people who claim that this is "transphobic violence" are people who reject the notion of transgender individuals. You're pretending right wing talking points are actually true. Nothing in this situation has anything to do with transgenderism.
    - yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
      What would it take for me to convince you that it is actually you who is wrong? Or are your ideological heels dug too far in? How many opinion pieces by trans people would it take to convince you? Who’s credentials matter? Would you accept anything published in that infamously right-wing journal called The Guardian? Not holding my breath.
      - mcphage 5y ago

dusted 5y ago

So, there's these people who claim to be multiple persons, sometimes with different genders.. I think the political correctness culture is now ripe for the next step: multiple people of different genders identifying as one single human person with one single gender.

akomtu 5y ago

Trying to catch them in a logical trap? For them, logic is a facade: once you find a hole in it, they'll patch it with something and move on.

klyrs 5y ago
Only, this has all the logical soundness of "All cats have legs. Cows have legs, therefore cows are cats"
- akomtu 5y ago
  That's "their truth" (a quote of some ancient roman official arguing that there's no absolute truth and all he has is "my truth").

chuckee 5y ago

I don't think any of the (real) authors are trans, so it's not ideologically difficult from that perspective. On the other hand, feminism is (nominally) a movement to establish equality of the sexes, and about fighting against gender stereotypes. Men convincingly writing from a female point of view, and publicly presented as women, would seem to me to do exactly that. Fight against writing style/subject stereotypes, and demonstrate how gender is not essential in the act of writing - subverting gender essentialism. If feminist were true to their professed convictions, they should be applauding this book.

techdragon 5y ago
Definitely not an expert, but I like learning so anyone with a more nuanced/detailed take please correct/elaborate… If this could be considered “feminist” or not, depends a lot on which “wave” of feminism is setting the conversational agenda. Feminist philosophy has at points in the past been more about “males are bad” than it is today.

mcphage 5y ago

> Does this not put them in an ideologically difficult position? Is it not deemed "transphobic" these days to take a position on whether or not someone is really a woman? Not at all. None of the authors claim to be women, all claim to be men. I’m really not sure why you think there would be a problem.

yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
It’s problematic in the same way that being a TERF is problematic. Are you supporting women by protecting women from the encroachment of their space by other women who are apparently not women? Or are you oppressing women by acting as the arbiter of who is really a woman? In this case specifically, three men have identified as a woman in publishing a book, in exactly the same way that women historically have identified as men to circumvent sexism. As far as the modern ideological narrative goes, you are committing transphobic violence by denying the existence of Mola.
- mcphage 5y ago
  > As far as the modern ideological narrative goes, you are committing transphobic violence by denying the existence of Mola. The simple fact is, you are wrong. The only people who claim that this is "transphobic violence" are people who reject the notion of transgender individuals. You're pretending right wing talking points are actually true. Nothing in this situation has anything to do with transgenderism.
  - yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
    What would it take for me to convince you that it is actually you who is wrong? Or are your ideological heels dug too far in? How many opinion pieces by trans people would it take to convince you? Who’s credentials matter? Would you accept anything published in that infamously right-wing journal called The Guardian? Not holding my breath.
    - mcphage 5y ago