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For a long time I have wanted to use one of these systems, but I would never upload anything to the cloud unless I encrypted it with an algorithm that I trust l

by vadfa 5y ago

For a long time I have wanted to use one of these systems, but I would never upload anything to the cloud unless I encrypted it with an algorithm that I trust like GNU's gpg first. Is there any application, preferably for Windows, that can handle this for me? Synchronise files with a cloud system, but encrypting/decrypting them transparently as they are uploaded/downloaded.

ubercow13 5y ago
rclone
iyn 5y ago
I use Borg: https://www.borgbackup.org/ https://www.borgbackup.org/ works well on client machines and servers.
- iFreilicht 5y ago
  Especially easy with Vorta [1] and hosted on BorgBase [2]. It's definitely for the technically literate user, but if you are, then it's a dream, and the tutorials by borgbase are super nice. I was searching for something the could replace Backblaze on Linux for me, and Vorta+BorgBase was even better than that. Encrypted and compressed by default, deduplicated, life-long (if desired) and diffable history, every snapshot can be mounted locally, alerts on missing backups, just a breeze to use, and works for my personal machines just like my VPS. [1]: https://vorta.borgbase.com/ https://vorta.borgbase.com/ [2]: https://borgbase.com/ https://borgbase.com/
petecooper 5y ago
https://arqbackup.com/ https://arqbackup.com/ I use the macOS version and it's excellent.
- p00dles 5y ago
  do you mind if I ask where you store the Arq backup? On a separate physical drive, in a cloud service, etc.?
  - buzzy_hacker 5y ago
    I use Arq and backup to B2. I use it instead of backblaze directly for the encryption.
  - petecooper 5y ago
    Cloud and local servers. I use B2 for cloud, and two NAS boxes on my network. I used to use OneDricd thanks to a legacy plan that was generous, but that appears to have stopped working for unknown reasons. All data is encrypted with a paraphrase I supply, so short of some spectacular amount of brute force I consider it safe.
- ronyfadel 5y ago
  How much does it cost you to back your data up (and on which cloud provider)?
  - bluehatbrit 5y ago
    Not the parent comment but I use Arq on windows and mac machines at home. This is only for personal data mind you. What I backup: Three machines currently, my laptop, my desktop, and my wife's laptop. I don't do a full drive backup as I have no problem re-installing software, losing settings, etc. I just backup documents and media for the most part. This includes wedding photos, rental agreements, bank statements, my own git repos, etc. All of the photos and most documents also sit in a dropbox folder and are downloaded across all 3 machines. We don't do every photo from our phones because we take a lot of rubbish but usually pull over holiday snaps etc pretty quickly. When I backup: Each machine has a daily backup using Arq which goes up to AWS S3. I then have weekly backups to Backblaze B2. Only reason to not have daily going to B2 is just to keep costs low. This backup frequency feels comfortable for our uses and we feel fairly comfortable with photos being on dropbox and synced in real-time as those are the most important to us. I also have a separate backup from my wife's computer which runs hourly and just stores documents related to her studying to minimise loss of work if the laptop crashed during the day. All in all this costs about $3-$5 a month on AWS and a bit less for Backblaze B2. We then pay for dropbox individual plus at £95 a year. All the backups are compressed and encrypted by Arq and it rolls up and ages off backups for us as I don't really care too much about recovering something from several years ago. Looking at the S3 dashboard we're storing 168.3 GB in total across 4 buckets. I'm sure many people will say this is insanely little data to backup, but it's not important to us to backup everything really, we'd rather have a simple and cheap system to backup the data that's important to us. With the prices I'd have no problem expanding it to more data if needed though. In the future I'll probably look at buying a NAS and hooking it up to Arq as well, but that'll have to wait until we've bought our first house. Final note of praise for Arq, UI is really simple (my wife who's not a techie understands it), you can setup email alerts, and recover individual documents from specific backups without needing to restore everything.
  - petecooper 5y ago
    I use B2 with a single bucket, so I pay the going rate for that. I’m storing a few hundred gigabytes with a few gigabytes ingress per month…a few dollars a quarter on the billing front.
Maakuth 5y ago
Duplicity (https://duplicity.gitlab.io/duplicity-web/ https://duplicity.gitlab.io/duplicity-web/) has served me well with B2 and other backends. It does snapshots, encrypts transparently and supports a number of storage services. It runs best on Linux, but you could run it on WSL I suppose?
p00dles 5y ago
Not sure if it’s the same use case but I use Cryptomator with OneDrive and it’s worked well.
sreitshamer 5y ago
Arq will encrypt/decrypt the backup data with a key that never leaves your computer. The encryption and data format are documented here: https://www.arqbackup.com/documentation/arq7/English.lproj/dataFormat.html https://www.arqbackup.com/documentation/arq7/English.lproj/d...
mijoharas 5y ago
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned tarsnap[0]. It can apparently run via WSL. The main selling point is that it's made by colin percival[1], so if you really care about the security of your backups, you can't get any better. Additionally, it's fairly reasonably priced. When s3 dropped their prices so that tarsnap became cheaper to run, he passed that on directly to customers[2] [0] https://www.tarsnap.com/faq.html https://www.tarsnap.com/faq.html [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Percival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Percival [2] http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2014-04-02-tarsnap-price-cut.html http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2014-04-02-tarsnap-price-cut...
- aborsy 5y ago
  Who on earth would pay 0.25$/GB for encryption, that is offered freely by countless programs? It’s like orders of magnitude more expensive than S3 and b2.
sandgiant 5y ago
Not sure exactly what you're after, but if it's FOSS then I would definitely recommend https://github.com/restic/restic https://github.com/restic/restic or https://git-annex.branchable.com https://git-annex.branchable.com. As others mention a lot of closed source tools offer local encryption, including Backblaze (although I believe they need your key in order to do restores, which might or might not defeat the purpose depending on your use case).
CameronNemo 5y ago
I would try BorgBackup or restic. Both support encryption and compression.

by vadfa 5y ago

ubercow13 5y ago

rclone

iyn 5y ago

I use Borg: https://www.borgbackup.org/ https://www.borgbackup.org/ works well on client machines and servers.

iFreilicht 5y ago
Especially easy with Vorta [1] and hosted on BorgBase [2]. It's definitely for the technically literate user, but if you are, then it's a dream, and the tutorials by borgbase are super nice. I was searching for something the could replace Backblaze on Linux for me, and Vorta+BorgBase was even better than that. Encrypted and compressed by default, deduplicated, life-long (if desired) and diffable history, every snapshot can be mounted locally, alerts on missing backups, just a breeze to use, and works for my personal machines just like my VPS. [1]: https://vorta.borgbase.com/ https://vorta.borgbase.com/ [2]: https://borgbase.com/ https://borgbase.com/

petecooper 5y ago

https://arqbackup.com/ https://arqbackup.com/ I use the macOS version and it's excellent.

p00dles 5y ago
do you mind if I ask where you store the Arq backup? On a separate physical drive, in a cloud service, etc.?
- buzzy_hacker 5y ago
  I use Arq and backup to B2. I use it instead of backblaze directly for the encryption.
- petecooper 5y ago
  Cloud and local servers. I use B2 for cloud, and two NAS boxes on my network. I used to use OneDricd thanks to a legacy plan that was generous, but that appears to have stopped working for unknown reasons. All data is encrypted with a paraphrase I supply, so short of some spectacular amount of brute force I consider it safe.
ronyfadel 5y ago
How much does it cost you to back your data up (and on which cloud provider)?
- bluehatbrit 5y ago
  Not the parent comment but I use Arq on windows and mac machines at home. This is only for personal data mind you. What I backup: Three machines currently, my laptop, my desktop, and my wife's laptop. I don't do a full drive backup as I have no problem re-installing software, losing settings, etc. I just backup documents and media for the most part. This includes wedding photos, rental agreements, bank statements, my own git repos, etc. All of the photos and most documents also sit in a dropbox folder and are downloaded across all 3 machines. We don't do every photo from our phones because we take a lot of rubbish but usually pull over holiday snaps etc pretty quickly. When I backup: Each machine has a daily backup using Arq which goes up to AWS S3. I then have weekly backups to Backblaze B2. Only reason to not have daily going to B2 is just to keep costs low. This backup frequency feels comfortable for our uses and we feel fairly comfortable with photos being on dropbox and synced in real-time as those are the most important to us. I also have a separate backup from my wife's computer which runs hourly and just stores documents related to her studying to minimise loss of work if the laptop crashed during the day. All in all this costs about $3-$5 a month on AWS and a bit less for Backblaze B2. We then pay for dropbox individual plus at £95 a year. All the backups are compressed and encrypted by Arq and it rolls up and ages off backups for us as I don't really care too much about recovering something from several years ago. Looking at the S3 dashboard we're storing 168.3 GB in total across 4 buckets. I'm sure many people will say this is insanely little data to backup, but it's not important to us to backup everything really, we'd rather have a simple and cheap system to backup the data that's important to us. With the prices I'd have no problem expanding it to more data if needed though. In the future I'll probably look at buying a NAS and hooking it up to Arq as well, but that'll have to wait until we've bought our first house. Final note of praise for Arq, UI is really simple (my wife who's not a techie understands it), you can setup email alerts, and recover individual documents from specific backups without needing to restore everything.
- petecooper 5y ago
  I use B2 with a single bucket, so I pay the going rate for that. I’m storing a few hundred gigabytes with a few gigabytes ingress per month…a few dollars a quarter on the billing front.

Maakuth 5y ago

Duplicity (https://duplicity.gitlab.io/duplicity-web/ https://duplicity.gitlab.io/duplicity-web/) has served me well with B2 and other backends. It does snapshots, encrypts transparently and supports a number of storage services. It runs best on Linux, but you could run it on WSL I suppose?

p00dles 5y ago

Not sure if it’s the same use case but I use Cryptomator with OneDrive and it’s worked well.

sreitshamer 5y ago

Arq will encrypt/decrypt the backup data with a key that never leaves your computer. The encryption and data format are documented here: https://www.arqbackup.com/documentation/arq7/English.lproj/dataFormat.html https://www.arqbackup.com/documentation/arq7/English.lproj/d...

mijoharas 5y ago

I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned tarsnap[0]. It can apparently run via WSL. The main selling point is that it's made by colin percival[1], so if you really care about the security of your backups, you can't get any better. Additionally, it's fairly reasonably priced. When s3 dropped their prices so that tarsnap became cheaper to run, he passed that on directly to customers[2] [0] https://www.tarsnap.com/faq.html https://www.tarsnap.com/faq.html [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Percival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Percival [2] http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2014-04-02-tarsnap-price-cut.html http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2014-04-02-tarsnap-price-cut...

aborsy 5y ago
Who on earth would pay 0.25$/GB for encryption, that is offered freely by countless programs? It’s like orders of magnitude more expensive than S3 and b2.

sandgiant 5y ago

Not sure exactly what you're after, but if it's FOSS then I would definitely recommend https://github.com/restic/restic https://github.com/restic/restic or https://git-annex.branchable.com https://git-annex.branchable.com. As others mention a lot of closed source tools offer local encryption, including Backblaze (although I believe they need your key in order to do restores, which might or might not defeat the purpose depending on your use case).

CameronNemo 5y ago

I would try BorgBackup or restic. Both support encryption and compression.