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> No more than the flu vaccine for any given year (which also wanes over time and requires boosters). This gaslighting is silly. Did public health officials no

> No more than the flu vaccine for any given year (which also wanes over time and requires boosters). This gaslighting is silly. Did public health officials not disclose during the initial rollout that the vaccines would wane over time because they were telling yet another noble lie, or because they simply didn't know because their effects had not yet been observed in people for that length of time?

LifeIsThermal 5y ago
After decades of studies on coronaviruses and vaccines they knew exactly how these vaccines would work. The alternative is incompetence. Choose one, incompetence or deliberate.
joshuamorton 5y ago
> Did public health officials not disclose during the initial rollout that the vaccines would wane over time I mean I'm not quite sure what you're getting at discussions about the possible need for covid boosters were happening before I was able to get my first dose. (all of these are from January or February): - https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/do-covid-19-variants-mean-we-need-booster-shot-our-booster https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/do-covid-19-variants-mean-... - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/14/moderna-looks-to-test-covid-19-booster-shots-a-year-after-initial-vaccination.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/14/moderna-looks-to-test-covid-... - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/booster-shots-against-scary-covid-virus-variants-are-in-the-works1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/booster-shots-aga... - https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-initiate-study-part-broad-development https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta... > because they simply didn't know because their effects had not yet been observed in people for that length of time? You're doing a subtle rhetorical badness here. It's worth clarifying that there are two distinct things that we care about with a vaccine: efficacy and safety. Due to the vaccine mechanisms, we had and continue to have fairly high confidence that they don't have negative side effects. They're safe. So when you say "their effects", you could mean "both their efficacy and safety" or just "their efficacy". But saying > Did public health officials not disclose during the initial rollout that the vaccines would wane over time...because they simply didn't know [they would get weaker over time]" is far less ominous, and honestly I don't see a reason to worry about that. Especially given that they were straightforward that there might be decreases in efficacy, but that none had been seen so far. I'd appreciate it if you were precise with your complaint, because I'm having a difficult time telling if you actually have one, or if you're being vaguely contrarian.

LifeIsThermal 5y ago

After decades of studies on coronaviruses and vaccines they knew exactly how these vaccines would work. The alternative is incompetence. Choose one, incompetence or deliberate.

joshuamorton 5y ago

> Did public health officials not disclose during the initial rollout that the vaccines would wane over time I mean I'm not quite sure what you're getting at discussions about the possible need for covid boosters were happening before I was able to get my first dose. (all of these are from January or February): - https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/do-covid-19-variants-mean-we-need-booster-shot-our-booster https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/do-covid-19-variants-mean-... - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/14/moderna-looks-to-test-covid-19-booster-shots-a-year-after-initial-vaccination.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/14/moderna-looks-to-test-covid-... - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/booster-shots-against-scary-covid-virus-variants-are-in-the-works1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/booster-shots-aga... - https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-initiate-study-part-broad-development https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta... > because they simply didn't know because their effects had not yet been observed in people for that length of time? You're doing a subtle rhetorical badness here. It's worth clarifying that there are two distinct things that we care about with a vaccine: efficacy and safety. Due to the vaccine mechanisms, we had and continue to have fairly high confidence that they don't have negative side effects. They're safe. So when you say "their effects", you could mean "both their efficacy and safety" or just "their efficacy". But saying > Did public health officials not disclose during the initial rollout that the vaccines would wane over time...because they simply didn't know [they would get weaker over time]" is far less ominous, and honestly I don't see a reason to worry about that. Especially given that they were straightforward that there might be decreases in efficacy, but that none had been seen so far. I'd appreciate it if you were precise with your complaint, because I'm having a difficult time telling if you actually have one, or if you're being vaguely contrarian.