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Wait, you're saying Zucker "lacks talent"? For real?

by m0zg 5y ago

xrd 5y ago
No, I said his take on "it's impossible to make comedy these days because of social justice warriors" is a fallacy and a lazy take on his own current lack of talent. Edit: I said lack of talent and it does read that I'm saying complete lack of talent. What I should have said is that this is a poor excuse for a current lack of talent.
- WalterBright 5y ago
  > current lack of talent I thought his commentary was witty. Much wittier than mine. I saw Airplane when it was first released. I laughed so hard my gut hurt. Many thanks to the Zucker Bros for that! (One of the jokes that almost nobody gets is when there's an exterior shot of the jet, you hear the sound of a 4 piston engine bomber. I love how the Zucker movies are stuffed with nice touches like that.)
  - captn3m0 5y ago
    I remember reading that it was a compromise: - ZAZ wanted to the movie in a propeller plane (and B&W) - The studio would only fund it if it were a jet and color, since the audience would identify with modern passenger jets. So, they agreed with the jet, but switched the sounds instead.
    - WalterBright 5y ago
      The studio was right. Nobody these days wants to see a B&W movie except for cinephiles. I've opined before that new viewers would be attracted to older movies if they'd use AI to colorize them. Sacrilege! I know, I know, but colorizing an old movie is not a destructive process. I don't see an actual problem with redoing older movies to be more watchable by a modern audience. (One could also add a decent soundtrack to silent films, not those godawful squeaking violins or somebody doodling on a pipe organ. And bring in some foley artists! and some voice actors to dub the dialog and get rid of the title cards!)
      - amanaplanacanal 5y ago
        Unless my memory fails me, Turner colorized a bunch of old black and white movies. Are these colorized versions still around or did people decide that they hate them? I honestly don’t know.
        WalterBright 5y ago
        He did. They have vanished from distribution. I've seen some of them, and they just looked terrible from the primitive coloring technology they used at the time. Modern colorizations look far, far better, like "They Will Not Be Forgotten" where WW1 footage was colorized. A lot of people cried "Abomination" when Turner did that, saying he was destroying the old films, but nothing of the sort happened. Just like someone photoshopping color onto an old Civil War picture (a popular thing to do) the originals are undamaged. People do really great jobs colorizing old photos, it just brings them to life. I have several in my wallpaper folder.
- dotancohen 5y ago
  Zucker actually addresses this: > Unlike my peers, who can channel their rage into more socially acceptable > psychological projects, I have no marketable skills aside from crafting jokes. Of course, the brilliance is that this is itself a joke. Self-depreciation.

Wait, you're saying Zucker "lacks talent"? For real?

by m0zg 5y ago

Wait, you're saying Zucker "lacks talent"? For real?

xrd 5y ago

No, I said his take on "it's impossible to make comedy these days because of social justice warriors" is a fallacy and a lazy take on his own current lack of talent. Edit: I said lack of talent and it does read that I'm saying complete lack of talent. What I should have said is that this is a poor excuse for a current lack of talent.

WalterBright 5y ago
> current lack of talent I thought his commentary was witty. Much wittier than mine. I saw Airplane when it was first released. I laughed so hard my gut hurt. Many thanks to the Zucker Bros for that! (One of the jokes that almost nobody gets is when there's an exterior shot of the jet, you hear the sound of a 4 piston engine bomber. I love how the Zucker movies are stuffed with nice touches like that.)
- captn3m0 5y ago
  I remember reading that it was a compromise: - ZAZ wanted to the movie in a propeller plane (and B&W) - The studio would only fund it if it were a jet and color, since the audience would identify with modern passenger jets. So, they agreed with the jet, but switched the sounds instead.
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    The studio was right. Nobody these days wants to see a B&W movie except for cinephiles. I've opined before that new viewers would be attracted to older movies if they'd use AI to colorize them. Sacrilege! I know, I know, but colorizing an old movie is not a destructive process. I don't see an actual problem with redoing older movies to be more watchable by a modern audience. (One could also add a decent soundtrack to silent films, not those godawful squeaking violins or somebody doodling on a pipe organ. And bring in some foley artists! and some voice actors to dub the dialog and get rid of the title cards!)
    - amanaplanacanal 5y ago
      Unless my memory fails me, Turner colorized a bunch of old black and white movies. Are these colorized versions still around or did people decide that they hate them? I honestly don’t know.
      - WalterBright 5y ago
        He did. They have vanished from distribution. I've seen some of them, and they just looked terrible from the primitive coloring technology they used at the time. Modern colorizations look far, far better, like "They Will Not Be Forgotten" where WW1 footage was colorized. A lot of people cried "Abomination" when Turner did that, saying he was destroying the old films, but nothing of the sort happened. Just like someone photoshopping color onto an old Civil War picture (a popular thing to do) the originals are undamaged. People do really great jobs colorizing old photos, it just brings them to life. I have several in my wallpaper folder.
dotancohen 5y ago
Zucker actually addresses this: > Unlike my peers, who can channel their rage into more socially acceptable > psychological projects, I have no marketable skills aside from crafting jokes. Of course, the brilliance is that this is itself a joke. Self-depreciation.