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as someone who has been the vandal vandalism is the most accessible way to literally change the world. it's direct, visceral cause and effect before your very
by ruined 5y ago
as someone who has been the vandal
vandalism is the most accessible way to literally change the world. it's direct, visceral cause and effect before your very eyes, and it remains visible in daily life and to everyone around.
i didn't have anything to lose, and it was more fun than sitting on a curb. in that position it did make the world a better place for me.
if you want people to quit breaking shit give them a reason not to. no, legal penalties are not a reason, that just makes them hate you more
- quotemstr 5y ago> legal penalties are not a reason Don't be ridiculous. If we throw enough vandals in prison for long enough, then yes, vandalism will drop. It's not fashionable to say it, but it's true: the way to get criminals out of society is to get criminals out of society.
- ruined 5y agoyou can't jail alienation.
- quotemstr 5y ago> you can't jail alienation. Want to bet?
- stephen_g 5y agoThe US has the largest prison population in the world (if I recall correctly both in absolute number and as a proportion of the population), it really doesn't seem to be working out for them. So no, it's not that simple...
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- reverius42 5y agoThe US has the most prisoners, by far, of any country in the world. How's that working out for eliminating crime?
- rland 5y agoWe basically did that for several decades, and we now have more people in prison than the rest of the world combined, as well as a much larger population of second class citizens (try to get a job with a criminal record!). Many of them did not commit any crime at all. And all of the second-order effects that come from this carceral worldview: missing parents, broken families, generational poverty, and for those directly involved, tremendous suffering. And you can look for yourself: our crime rates are comparable to, in many cases worse than, any other place that superficially resembles ours. The way your comment is written makes it seem like you are sympathetic to this idea. There is no "out of society." They're still here, we still have to deal with them. Not only with them, but also with the machine that we built to coerce them into living the way they live. In exactly the same way you have to deal with me, and I have to deal with you, and we both need to deal with seeing a vending machine vandalized. The question is, how do we deal with that?
- quotemstr 5y ago> We basically did that for several decades, and we now have more people in prison than the rest of the world combined, And? Is your solution to legalize crime? That hasn't worked well in the big west coast cities, has it? > The question is, how do we deal with that? By arresting people who vandalize vending machines. As long as vending machines continue to be vandalized, we haven't arrested enough people for that crime.
- warning26 5y ago> There is no "out of society." They're still here, we still have to deal with them. Sure there is, it's called execution. It's a tool that's sadly underutilized, IMO.
- nootropicat 5y ago>i didn't have anything to lose Clearly the problem is with incorrect penalties. Singapore canes vandals and it works.
- smnrchrds 5y agoIt may work, but at what cost? You trade living in a country that has vandalism for living in a country that has torture. I am sure execution will work even better than caning if a nation wants to put "stopping vandalism" above all else.
- warning26 5y agoSounds to me like the "cost" is some bad people getting whacked by canes, which seems like a pretty low price to pay overall.
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