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The current Dell XPS has slim bezels, way slimmer than a current Macbook. Perhaps not as slim as this one, but it's not a meaningful difference, I'd take it ove

The current Dell XPS has slim bezels, way slimmer than a current Macbook. Perhaps not as slim as this one, but it's not a meaningful difference, I'd take it over a notch any day. The camera is at the top.

acchow 5y ago
The XPS also compromised - the camera quality is terrible, especially in non-optimal lighting. "That camera is really embarrassing given the price tag. We got one for our CEO as a replacement.... everything was working well until he had a video meeting.... so embarrassing" extensive thread on this discussion: https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS13-9300-2020-version-webcam-very-poor-quality/td-p/7561977 https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS13-9300-2020-version-w... You can see the difference for yourself at 3:13 here https://youtu.be/QgFd_w2n1es?t=193 https://youtu.be/QgFd_w2n1es?t=193 Grainy, ghosting, compression artifacts, and looks like the FPS is lower too.
acchow 5y ago
Here's more comical discussion of the XPS camera: https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-15-9500-camera-webcam-terrible-quality/td-p/7666773/page/3 https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-15-9500-camera-webcam... "This webcam is disgusting. They won’t admit it when you call. They keep telling you to install drivers and redo every install you have." "It's the image sensor they went with... Bottom of the barrel $0.52 sensor. I'm skipping this generation of XPS entirely and keeping with my Macbook Pro for a number of reasons. 1. The trackpad is horrible 2. The software had too many bugs (brightness, sound crackles, fans) 3. The keyboard isn't that great 4. The camera quality" "I have this same problem with a new XPS 15 9500: blurry & grainy camera/webcam. Lots of complaints with those on Zoom, Goggle Meets, etc. with me. Help! Can this be fixed or should I return my 2-month old computer??" "The stock webcam is by far the worst feature of the XPS. I’m also disappointed with the unreliability of the trackpad." "Same here, everything that has been said. Camera is <Profanity removed. Dell-Admin>, embarrassing for Dell and for me, should I choose to use it"
- incrudible 5y ago
  Macbook cameras are awful as well. That's besides the point. It doesn't mean it "can't be done". You could have a 4K front-facing camera in a tiny pinhole, like in many Android phones. It's just not something laptop makers put a focus on, because customers tend to not care, or at least they didn't until video-conferencing became ubiquitous.
  - acchow 5y ago
    > That's besides the point No, the point I was making at the beginning was "it's a design tradeoff, not a gimmick". The macbook camera is leaps and bounds better than the super tiny XPS camera they used to achieve a notch-free slim bezel. The notch isn't a gimmick. They made a design tradeoff to avoid going to a terrible camera.

acchow 5y ago

The XPS also compromised - the camera quality is terrible, especially in non-optimal lighting. "That camera is really embarrassing given the price tag. We got one for our CEO as a replacement.... everything was working well until he had a video meeting.... so embarrassing" extensive thread on this discussion: https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS13-9300-2020-version-webcam-very-poor-quality/td-p/7561977 https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS13-9300-2020-version-w... You can see the difference for yourself at 3:13 here https://youtu.be/QgFd_w2n1es?t=193 https://youtu.be/QgFd_w2n1es?t=193 Grainy, ghosting, compression artifacts, and looks like the FPS is lower too.

acchow 5y ago

Here's more comical discussion of the XPS camera: https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-15-9500-camera-webcam-terrible-quality/td-p/7666773/page/3 https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-15-9500-camera-webcam... "This webcam is disgusting. They won’t admit it when you call. They keep telling you to install drivers and redo every install you have." "It's the image sensor they went with... Bottom of the barrel $0.52 sensor. I'm skipping this generation of XPS entirely and keeping with my Macbook Pro for a number of reasons. 1. The trackpad is horrible 2. The software had too many bugs (brightness, sound crackles, fans) 3. The keyboard isn't that great 4. The camera quality" "I have this same problem with a new XPS 15 9500: blurry & grainy camera/webcam. Lots of complaints with those on Zoom, Goggle Meets, etc. with me. Help! Can this be fixed or should I return my 2-month old computer??" "The stock webcam is by far the worst feature of the XPS. I’m also disappointed with the unreliability of the trackpad." "Same here, everything that has been said. Camera is <Profanity removed. Dell-Admin>, embarrassing for Dell and for me, should I choose to use it"

incrudible 5y ago
Macbook cameras are awful as well. That's besides the point. It doesn't mean it "can't be done". You could have a 4K front-facing camera in a tiny pinhole, like in many Android phones. It's just not something laptop makers put a focus on, because customers tend to not care, or at least they didn't until video-conferencing became ubiquitous.
- acchow 5y ago
  > That's besides the point No, the point I was making at the beginning was "it's a design tradeoff, not a gimmick". The macbook camera is leaps and bounds better than the super tiny XPS camera they used to achieve a notch-free slim bezel. The notch isn't a gimmick. They made a design tradeoff to avoid going to a terrible camera.