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This is fascinating. What else is interesting is that Florida who has had ZERO Covid restrictions this entire time, has the lowest levels of new cases per Capit

This is fascinating. What else is interesting is that Florida who has had ZERO Covid restrictions this entire time, has the lowest levels of new cases per Capita in the lower 48.

JohnHaugeland 5y ago
That's, of course, entirely statistically nonsense. They have the third highest rate of Covid in the country. They're not getting infected because they're already infected.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  'lowest levels of new cases' 'rate of Covid' They're the same thing...What numbers are you using? Or you just saying what kind of feels groovy in the moment brother ? Because I can dig it.
jasonlaramburu 5y ago
I never understand why people try to make this point. It’s pretty obvious covid comes in waves. Florida is now on the downswing of the delta wave. At its peak it had more than twice deaths per capita than California (arguably the most restrictive state).
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  No one really seemed to care about these fine points when they were comparing case rates between the southern states in the peak of their regular late-summer wave and the rest of the country and attributing the difference to vaccination rates.
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make. Florida had more than double the per capita deaths than California during the delta wave. It also has lower vaccination rates.
    - nickthemagicman 5y ago
      Florida has way more older people per Capita which are more vulnerable to Covid. So that accounts for the deaths. But why are new cases so low in a place with very few vaccinated and no Covid restrictions? You would think they would be sky high!
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > > Florida had more than double the per capita deaths than California during the delta wave. > Florida has way more older people per Capita which are more vulnerable to Covid. > So that accounts for the deaths. No, it doesn't. Florida has less than a time and a half the 65+ population share that California has; while it might account for a higher death rate, it doesn't account for a more than double death rate, and it especially doesn’t explain an even greater discrepancy in the death:case rate than the death:population rate. > But why are new cases so low in a place with very few vaccinated and no Covid restrictions? Because COVID precautions (vaccination, voluntary testing without hospitalization, etc.) are mutually correlated, and so Florida has less likelihood of detecting cases that don't involve hospitalization; it also means cases that eventually require hospitalization are detected later with less early intervention. Which explains why Florida has, compared to other states, a low detected case rate, but a middle of the road hospitalization rate, and a very high death rate.
        nickthemagicman 5y ago
        Florida has the second highest per Capita number of old people in the country. California is one of the lowest at number 45. So while you're right...by not using per Capita numbers... you're presenting your data in a very disengenuous and truth distorting way. Its like saying India has more old people than Burbank. Well yeah no shit.. India has a billion people. You claim less testing is the reason? That's a simple fix..look at positivity rate. Should be sky high if all the testing is coming from FL hospitals as you claim and also eliminates variations in testing numbers. Guess what STILL less than California. Guess what positivity rate at the BOTTOM of all states. Here's actual references instead of just whatever feels good to say. Could the natural immune system not be an Alex Jones conspiracy after all???!!!!! https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest...
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    Exactly. Covid pushers are so disengenuous. Reference things when it suits them and ignore them when it doesn't. Truth is not the goal. Religion is.
    - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
      Right, the Ivermectin crowd is totally data driven
      - nickthemagicman 5y ago
        Ivermectin won the Nobel prize. Here's a science article for ya. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016635422... There's actually way more science behind ivermectin than that experimental substance from moderna you had injected in your body. So I'm confused is the slogan: "trust the science"? Or is the slogan: "trust the science that supports your narrative"?
        jasonlaramburu 5y ago
        The creators of Ivermectin won the Nobel for its applications in treating parasites, not COVID-19. The Caly et al paper you cite is based on a cell culture (in vitro) experiment, not a clinical trial. No human subjects were tested, and subsequent researchers have had difficulty recreating the observed result. Virtually all other studies supporting ivermectin's use against COVID-19 have been shown to have serious flaws. To quote a review,"Research related to ivermectin in COVID-19 has serious methodological limitations resulting in very low certainty of the evidence, and continues to grow." [1] If the Ivermectin crowd were really interested in finding an effective oral treatment for COVID-19, and not just manipulating a political prop, why are they silent on Molnupiravir, which has been shown to be effective in clinical trials [2]? [1] https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678 https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8219109/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8219109/
dragonwriter 5y ago
> What else is interesting is that Florida who has had ZERO Covid restrictions this entire time, has the lowest levels of new cases per Capita in the lower 48. Yes, but its just doing bad in identification of non-severe cases—and maybe severe cases, before its too late, too, given how much higher ranked it is in deaths compared to hospitalizations. It is more middling in recent per-capita COVID hospitalizations and near the top (#8 of all states and territories) in recent per capita COVID deaths. [0] Florida embodies Trump's observation that the COVID case rate was driven by testing, and cases would be much lower if testing was. [0] FL recent cases are 22/100K population (US overall is 25/100K), FL hospitalizations in the same time frame are 15/100K population (US overall is 18/100K), FL recent COVID death rate is 0.79/100K (US overall is 0.46/100K) from https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  Florida has more old people than any other state 20% of the state pop, of course it's going to have more deaths with more of the age group that dies more of Covid. That doesn't explain why new cases are at rock bottom in a state with basically zero covid restrictions and basically no one has a vaccine... The natural immune system might not be an Alex Jones conspiracy theory after all !!! https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest...

This is fascinating. What else is interesting is that Florida who has had ZERO Covid restrictions this entire time, has the lowest levels of new cases per Capita in the lower 48.

JohnHaugeland 5y ago

That's, of course, entirely statistically nonsense. They have the third highest rate of Covid in the country. They're not getting infected because they're already infected.

nickthemagicman 5y ago
'lowest levels of new cases' 'rate of Covid' They're the same thing...What numbers are you using? Or you just saying what kind of feels groovy in the moment brother ? Because I can dig it.

jasonlaramburu 5y ago

I never understand why people try to make this point. It’s pretty obvious covid comes in waves. Florida is now on the downswing of the delta wave. At its peak it had more than twice deaths per capita than California (arguably the most restrictive state).

AndrewBissell 5y ago
No one really seemed to care about these fine points when they were comparing case rates between the southern states in the peak of their regular late-summer wave and the rest of the country and attributing the difference to vaccination rates.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make. Florida had more than double the per capita deaths than California during the delta wave. It also has lower vaccination rates.
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    Florida has way more older people per Capita which are more vulnerable to Covid. So that accounts for the deaths. But why are new cases so low in a place with very few vaccinated and no Covid restrictions? You would think they would be sky high!
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > > Florida had more than double the per capita deaths than California during the delta wave. > Florida has way more older people per Capita which are more vulnerable to Covid. > So that accounts for the deaths. No, it doesn't. Florida has less than a time and a half the 65+ population share that California has; while it might account for a higher death rate, it doesn't account for a more than double death rate, and it especially doesn’t explain an even greater discrepancy in the death:case rate than the death:population rate. > But why are new cases so low in a place with very few vaccinated and no Covid restrictions? Because COVID precautions (vaccination, voluntary testing without hospitalization, etc.) are mutually correlated, and so Florida has less likelihood of detecting cases that don't involve hospitalization; it also means cases that eventually require hospitalization are detected later with less early intervention. Which explains why Florida has, compared to other states, a low detected case rate, but a middle of the road hospitalization rate, and a very high death rate.
      - nickthemagicman 5y ago
        Florida has the second highest per Capita number of old people in the country. California is one of the lowest at number 45. So while you're right...by not using per Capita numbers... you're presenting your data in a very disengenuous and truth distorting way. Its like saying India has more old people than Burbank. Well yeah no shit.. India has a billion people. You claim less testing is the reason? That's a simple fix..look at positivity rate. Should be sky high if all the testing is coming from FL hospitals as you claim and also eliminates variations in testing numbers. Guess what STILL less than California. Guess what positivity rate at the BOTTOM of all states. Here's actual references instead of just whatever feels good to say. Could the natural immune system not be an Alex Jones conspiracy after all???!!!!! https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest...
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  Exactly. Covid pushers are so disengenuous. Reference things when it suits them and ignore them when it doesn't. Truth is not the goal. Religion is.
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    Right, the Ivermectin crowd is totally data driven
    - nickthemagicman 5y ago
      Ivermectin won the Nobel prize. Here's a science article for ya. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016635422... There's actually way more science behind ivermectin than that experimental substance from moderna you had injected in your body. So I'm confused is the slogan: "trust the science"? Or is the slogan: "trust the science that supports your narrative"?
      - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
        The creators of Ivermectin won the Nobel for its applications in treating parasites, not COVID-19. The Caly et al paper you cite is based on a cell culture (in vitro) experiment, not a clinical trial. No human subjects were tested, and subsequent researchers have had difficulty recreating the observed result. Virtually all other studies supporting ivermectin's use against COVID-19 have been shown to have serious flaws. To quote a review,"Research related to ivermectin in COVID-19 has serious methodological limitations resulting in very low certainty of the evidence, and continues to grow." [1] If the Ivermectin crowd were really interested in finding an effective oral treatment for COVID-19, and not just manipulating a political prop, why are they silent on Molnupiravir, which has been shown to be effective in clinical trials [2]? [1] https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678 https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8219109/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8219109/

dragonwriter 5y ago

> What else is interesting is that Florida who has had ZERO Covid restrictions this entire time, has the lowest levels of new cases per Capita in the lower 48. Yes, but its just doing bad in identification of non-severe cases—and maybe severe cases, before its too late, too, given how much higher ranked it is in deaths compared to hospitalizations. It is more middling in recent per-capita COVID hospitalizations and near the top (#8 of all states and territories) in recent per capita COVID deaths. [0] Florida embodies Trump's observation that the COVID case rate was driven by testing, and cases would be much lower if testing was. [0] FL recent cases are 22/100K population (US overall is 25/100K), FL hospitalizations in the same time frame are 15/100K population (US overall is 18/100K), FL recent COVID death rate is 0.79/100K (US overall is 0.46/100K) from https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

nickthemagicman 5y ago
Florida has more old people than any other state 20% of the state pop, of course it's going to have more deaths with more of the age group that dies more of Covid. That doesn't explain why new cases are at rock bottom in a state with basically zero covid restrictions and basically no one has a vaccine... The natural immune system might not be an Alex Jones conspiracy theory after all !!! https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/ https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest...