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Sounds to me like prices will pretty much inevitably go up after they're public, and I'll finally have the motivation to set up my own remote backup by exchangi

by m0zg 5y ago

Sounds to me like prices will pretty much inevitably go up after they're public, and I'll finally have the motivation to set up my own remote backup by exchanging hard drives with a friend of mine on the other end of the country.

djbusby 5y ago
Tried rsync.net?
- m0zg 5y ago
  25 dollars per TiB/mo? LOL.
- eikenberry 5y ago
  They were talking about switching if they got more expensive and rsync.net is already a lot more expensive unless you have very little data (<300GB).
  - m0zg 5y ago
    It's not just that. It's also that I don't really trust anything centralized anymore, and internet speeds are such that homegrown solutions are becoming more and more attractive. Another benefit is that I'll also be able to easily backup my Linux machines, which BB currently does not support. At the moment I just periodically copy data to windows on cron so that it's backed up - not ideal to say the least.
    - rexreed 5y ago
      What would happen if your backup harddrive at your friends' place was stolen / destroyed / went bad?
      - m0zg 5y ago
        I'd have to send him another hard drive, obviously.
    - autarch 5y ago
      I back things up to Backblaze B2 from Linux using borg. It works really well and it's incredibly cheap. I'm paying less than $1/month to keep about 155GB of data there. About half the data is from Borg backups, the other is rcloned copies of my music files.
      - Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
        What's your process for backing up to B2 using borg? I'm currently doing borg backups to a local server, then using restic to back up my borg backups to B2. My reason for using restic over rclone is so that if the local backup is corrupted I've got history on the remote to fall back to. I'm hoping to find a less cumbersome way to do this.
        ac29 5y ago
        Why not just use restic directly to back up?
        Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
        That was my plan, but restic doesn't do compression so that would increase costs and backup time. Some use-cases, like photo libraries, won't benefit much from compression, so I may use restic directly for those.
        eikenberry 5y ago
        Rclone only uploads/overrides the remote if the meta-data (size/date/etc) shows a difference. Most disk corruption doesn't change these so it still works as a corruption backup.
        Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
        I'm worried, in part, about files getting deleted. If I delete or otherwise lose my repository, rclone will helpfully delete it on the other side. Some amount of deletion is expected, like when borg prunes the old stuff out, so having rclone not delete anything might not be an option either. I'm sure there are ways to manage this though, I just haven't figured them out yet.
  - Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
    rsync.net is a very different product though. I recently evaluated a bunch of cloud storage/backup services. rsync.net is a ssh-accessible ZFS filesystem (including support for zfs send/recv) in the cloud, B2 is object storage. rsync.net has a cheaper version aimed at people doing borg backups. Unfortunately it's still 3x the cost of B2 for 1TB of data.
    - eikenberry 5y ago
      I currently use B2 for my offsite backups, only around 1.5TB, using rclone. Works well and costs just under $7/mo. I looked at rsync.net and really liked the idea, but costing 5x as much just doesn't justify the features. Where do they offer the 3x cost solution? Cheapest pricing I can find is 2.5cents/GiB/mo (the 5x price).
      - iyn 5y ago
        You need to look at their pages for specific tools, e.g. for Borg Backup: https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html (starts from 1.5 Cents Per GB / Month)
TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
Try backupsy. Good prices.
KennyBlanken 5y ago
Yup. Just like every other cloud company: hook people cheap, get them super dependent, and then go public telling investors they'll make a goldmine when you jack prices. The extra fun bit is that just exfiltration will cost you.
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  Don't even need to go public! Take $1 billion in VC cash to build an app that can't possibly make that much revenue then lock people in with long term contracts. We use multiple great SaaS tools that in the last two years have removed DIY 'tiers' or 'plans' billing you can do online and forced us to sign yearly contracts, deal with pushy sales reps, and changed to opaque and stupid complicated pricing. Oracle behavior! we have no choice but to bend over. They are great tools which is why they can do this ;)
- viraptor 5y ago
  Fortunately you likely don't have to pay for that for personal accounts. B2 - sure. Backups? Just make a new one and leave the BB account running for a couple of months - for most people keeping backups beyond 2 months is just not useful.
philjohn 5y ago
They've already put prices up once, but are still supremely affordable for a "fire and forget" backup service. Sure, you can probably do it cheaper with your "friend with a hard drive" solution, but there's zero redundancy there, you'll need to replace the hard drive when it eventually goes bad etc. etc. For some people that's a tradeoff worth making, but for me, a few extra $ a month for peace of mind is worth it.

by m0zg 5y ago

djbusby 5y ago

Tried rsync.net?

m0zg 5y ago
25 dollars per TiB/mo? LOL.
eikenberry 5y ago
They were talking about switching if they got more expensive and rsync.net is already a lot more expensive unless you have very little data (<300GB).
- m0zg 5y ago
  It's not just that. It's also that I don't really trust anything centralized anymore, and internet speeds are such that homegrown solutions are becoming more and more attractive. Another benefit is that I'll also be able to easily backup my Linux machines, which BB currently does not support. At the moment I just periodically copy data to windows on cron so that it's backed up - not ideal to say the least.
  - rexreed 5y ago
    What would happen if your backup harddrive at your friends' place was stolen / destroyed / went bad?
    - m0zg 5y ago
      I'd have to send him another hard drive, obviously.
  - autarch 5y ago
    I back things up to Backblaze B2 from Linux using borg. It works really well and it's incredibly cheap. I'm paying less than $1/month to keep about 155GB of data there. About half the data is from Borg backups, the other is rcloned copies of my music files.
    - Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
      What's your process for backing up to B2 using borg? I'm currently doing borg backups to a local server, then using restic to back up my borg backups to B2. My reason for using restic over rclone is so that if the local backup is corrupted I've got history on the remote to fall back to. I'm hoping to find a less cumbersome way to do this.
      - ac29 5y ago
        Why not just use restic directly to back up?
        Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
        That was my plan, but restic doesn't do compression so that would increase costs and backup time. Some use-cases, like photo libraries, won't benefit much from compression, so I may use restic directly for those.
      - eikenberry 5y ago
        Rclone only uploads/overrides the remote if the meta-data (size/date/etc) shows a difference. Most disk corruption doesn't change these so it still works as a corruption backup.
        Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
        I'm worried, in part, about files getting deleted. If I delete or otherwise lose my repository, rclone will helpfully delete it on the other side. Some amount of deletion is expected, like when borg prunes the old stuff out, so having rclone not delete anything might not be an option either. I'm sure there are ways to manage this though, I just haven't figured them out yet.
- Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
  rsync.net is a very different product though. I recently evaluated a bunch of cloud storage/backup services. rsync.net is a ssh-accessible ZFS filesystem (including support for zfs send/recv) in the cloud, B2 is object storage. rsync.net has a cheaper version aimed at people doing borg backups. Unfortunately it's still 3x the cost of B2 for 1TB of data.
  - eikenberry 5y ago
    I currently use B2 for my offsite backups, only around 1.5TB, using rclone. Works well and costs just under $7/mo. I looked at rsync.net and really liked the idea, but costing 5x as much just doesn't justify the features. Where do they offer the 3x cost solution? Cheapest pricing I can find is 2.5cents/GiB/mo (the 5x price).
    - iyn 5y ago
      You need to look at their pages for specific tools, e.g. for Borg Backup: https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html (starts from 1.5 Cents Per GB / Month)

TedDoesntTalk 5y ago

Try backupsy. Good prices.

KennyBlanken 5y ago

Yup. Just like every other cloud company: hook people cheap, get them super dependent, and then go public telling investors they'll make a goldmine when you jack prices. The extra fun bit is that just exfiltration will cost you.

dillondoyle 5y ago
Don't even need to go public! Take $1 billion in VC cash to build an app that can't possibly make that much revenue then lock people in with long term contracts. We use multiple great SaaS tools that in the last two years have removed DIY 'tiers' or 'plans' billing you can do online and forced us to sign yearly contracts, deal with pushy sales reps, and changed to opaque and stupid complicated pricing. Oracle behavior! we have no choice but to bend over. They are great tools which is why they can do this ;)
viraptor 5y ago
Fortunately you likely don't have to pay for that for personal accounts. B2 - sure. Backups? Just make a new one and leave the BB account running for a couple of months - for most people keeping backups beyond 2 months is just not useful.

philjohn 5y ago

They've already put prices up once, but are still supremely affordable for a "fire and forget" backup service. Sure, you can probably do it cheaper with your "friend with a hard drive" solution, but there's zero redundancy there, you'll need to replace the hard drive when it eventually goes bad etc. etc. For some people that's a tradeoff worth making, but for me, a few extra $ a month for peace of mind is worth it.