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People are allowed to buy lottery tickets. They are also allowed to bet it all at a casino. Why shouldn't someone be able to put even a small amount of money in

by lacker 5y ago

People are allowed to buy lottery tickets. They are also allowed to bet it all at a casino. Why shouldn't someone be able to put even a small amount of money in crypto? You can put money in crypto, though. Buy Bitcoin, buy Ethereum, there are plenty of ways to put your money in crypto. Here New York is going after companies like Nexo that pretend like their risky crypto product is just like a bank account that happens to pay higher interest. Look how they advertise it on https://nexo.io/ https://nexo.io/ - ISO 27001:2013 Compliant. Impeccable risk assessment, data protection, and enhanced cybersecurity $375 million insurance on all custodial assets Earn daily interest on your crypto Add or withdraw funds at any time Personally, I find these to be misleading statements. You can't necessarily add or withdraw funds at any time because you depend on Nexo's solvency which is not guaranteed like it is for a bank account, their risk assessment in my opinion is not impeccable, et cetera. If Nexo is going to pretend they are as risk-free as a bank account, then it seems reasonable for New York to regulate their statements like they regulate bank accounts.

manic85 5y ago
I agree, Nexo/Celsius/Blockfi should not be going around saying they are "riskless". However, blocking out the majority of the general public from high yield investments is not the right move. Wealthy =/= sophisticated. If people want to take risk and get paid high yields in return for creating liquidity in emerging financial ecosystems, let them do it! Don't apply a 1930s frame work to a 21st century technology. I'm much more in favor of what Coinbase is doing - push for a seperate regulatory regime specifically designed to handle digital assets. For all those who try to compare this to subprime, there's two big differences here. First, decentralized lending is enforced by smart contract -> the banking apps dont take credit risk because they can auto liquidate defaulter's assets and collect a 10-20% liquidation fee for doing so. Second, decentralized lending apps max out at 60% LTV. People are either going to be safe and do 30-40% leverage which protects against 33-50% drops in the value of the collateral, or they are going get liquidated at 60%. There's no too big to fail here.
Animats 5y ago
> companies like Nexo Right. What part of "Ponzi scheme" did you not understand? This has nothing to do with "crypto". This is the same scheme as Madoff's. It's almost the same scheme as John Law's bank of 1720. There's not much innovation in scams. Just new forms of obfuscation.

by lacker 5y ago

manic85 5y ago

I agree, Nexo/Celsius/Blockfi should not be going around saying they are "riskless". However, blocking out the majority of the general public from high yield investments is not the right move. Wealthy =/= sophisticated. If people want to take risk and get paid high yields in return for creating liquidity in emerging financial ecosystems, let them do it! Don't apply a 1930s frame work to a 21st century technology. I'm much more in favor of what Coinbase is doing - push for a seperate regulatory regime specifically designed to handle digital assets. For all those who try to compare this to subprime, there's two big differences here. First, decentralized lending is enforced by smart contract -> the banking apps dont take credit risk because they can auto liquidate defaulter's assets and collect a 10-20% liquidation fee for doing so. Second, decentralized lending apps max out at 60% LTV. People are either going to be safe and do 30-40% leverage which protects against 33-50% drops in the value of the collateral, or they are going get liquidated at 60%. There's no too big to fail here.

Animats 5y ago

> companies like Nexo Right. What part of "Ponzi scheme" did you not understand? This has nothing to do with "crypto". This is the same scheme as Madoff's. It's almost the same scheme as John Law's bank of 1720. There's not much innovation in scams. Just new forms of obfuscation.